130-1998 LTC
CITY OF
MIAMI BEACH
CITY HALL 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA 33139
OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER
TELEPHONE: (305) 673-7010
FAX: (305) 673-7782
LETTER TO COMMISSION
130-1998
L.T.C. NO.
DATE:
September 9, 1998
FROM:
City Commissioners
TO:
SUBJECT: BOARD AND COMMITTEE BIANNUAL REPORTS
Pursuant to City Code 2-22(13) - "The chairperson or his designee shall biannually submit a
completed written report form, supplied by the city administration, to the City Commission and City
Manager.....".
Attached for your perusal are the reports submitted to the City Clerk's Office.
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CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER
TELEPHONE: (305) 673-7010
FAX: (305) 673-7782
LETTER TO COMMISSION
130-1998
L.T.C. NO.
DATE:
September 9, 1998
TO:
City Commissioners
FROM:
SUBJECT: BOARD AND COMMITTEE BIANNUAL REPORTS
Pursuant to City Code 2-22( 13) - "The chairperson or his designee shall biannually submit a
completed written report form, supplied by the city administration, to the City Commission and City
Manager.....".
Attached for your perusal are the reports submitted to the City Clerk's Office.
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TELEPHONE: 673-7411
DATE:
JUNE 16, 1998
TO:
CITY LIAISION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
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ROBERT PARCHER cr
CITY CLERK
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SUBJECT: BI-AlS"NUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
Chairperson or his/her designee shall bi-annually submit a completed written report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd 19 be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
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CHAIRPERSON:
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CITY LIAISON:
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NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: 3
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BOARDS A;:\1D COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL.REPORT FORI\-I - PAGE 1 of2
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
Barrier-Free Environment Committee
CHAIRPERSON:
Andrew Batavia/Mildred Levenson
CITY LIAISON:
Michel Magloire
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NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE ,JANUARY:
4 (four)
ACTIVITY:
See Attachment
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
See Attachment
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
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City of Miami Beach MEMORANDUM
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
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FROM:
Robert Parcher, City Clerk
Michel Magloire, ADA Coordinator ~ .
TO:
DATE:
July 10, 1998
SUBJECT:
BARRIER-FREE ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT
Barrier-Free Environment Committee
Bi-Annual Report - July 1998
ACTIVITI ES:
I . Hold a monthly meeting at City Hall to discuss accessibility issues with relevant City Staff.
2. Provide guidance to the City in its effort to comply with the American with Disabilities Act (ADA).
3. Monitor the progress made by the City Parking Department in improving sixty one (61) City
owned parking lots and making them comply with the Florida Accessibility Code and the ADA
Standards.
4. Review quarterly the log of violations issued by the Police Department and the Parking
Department. Ensure that those Departments enforce accessibility laws. Ensure also, that proper
summons are issued to individuals who parked illegally in spaces reserved for persons with
disabilities possessing proper permits.
5. Ensure that the Building Department enforces the Florida Accessibility Code. Have Building
Department relevant staff to report monthly on the accessibility issues handled by that
Department, including status of violations.
6. Assist the City ADA Coordinator in identifying City accessibility problems, and correcting them.
7. Monitor and ensure that the Public Works Department continues with the curb cut program,
which provides accessibility to City sidewalks.
Identify periodically City sidewalks and curb cuts that must be improved or done.
8. Monitor structural and other improvements made to City owned facilities by Property
Management to ensure that they are rendered accessible to all citizens.
9. Ensure that the Convention Center and TOPA meet the requirements of the Florida Accessibility
Code and the ADA standards.
10. Have the County Emergency Management Bureau to delineate their plan for the evacuation of
Miami Beach residents with special needs.
I I . Ensure that the Fire Department publicizes their Safety Education Program which emphasizes in
part, on the safety of people with special needs living in High Rise Buildings.
12. Make City Officials aware that the Electrowave Shuttle is not accessible to power activated
wheelchairs.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
I . Continue current activities.
2. Advocate for continuing improvement of the transportation system for people with special needs.
ACCOMPLlSHM ENTS:
I. Made the City Council aware of the importance of supporting the expansion of the Metrorail to
Miami Beach for the benefit of all citizens, including those with special needs. Issuance of the
Metrorail Resolution to the Mayor and Commission for adoption.
2. Raised consciousness of accessibility issues on Miami Beach, including accessibility of Parks and
Special Events.
3. Assisted Miami Beach officials in evaluating new technologies for wheelchair access to the beach.
4. Responded to resident inquiries and grievances concerning disability and accessibility issues on
Miami Beach.
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c: Harry Mavrogenes, Assistant City Manager
Julio Grave de Peralta, Public Works Director
Don Papy, Chief Deputy City Attorney
Barrier-Free Environment Committee
BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL. REPORT FOR1\1 - PAGE 1 of2
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
Beach Preservation Committee
CHAIRPERSON:
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CITY LIAISON:
Bruce D. Henderson
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NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: 0
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ACTIVITY:
N/A
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The Inaugural meeting of this newly formed committee has been scheduled
for Julv 16. 1998 at 9:30 am.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUALLY REPORT FORNI - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
N/A
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
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CHAIRPERSON:
Michael Vitri (r.o-cnairs - Claire Tomlin, Steve Ruggieri
CITY LIAISON:
John Oldenburg - Assist. Dir. Parks & Recreation
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: 5 (Feb-March-April-May-June)
ACTIVITY:
clean u efforts for Miami Beach canals & wate ways.
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of area around the Saxony & Caribbean
roaress of Mid Beach 41st Street & Washington A enue PIal
f Lincoln road
trash cans,fou tains, e
efforts of Normand Isle fountain rea.
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area between 42nd & 28th Streets at Collins venue
List of faded street si ns submitted to Myra Diaz-Butacavoli.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
Attention brouaht to obtaining a Left-Hand turn signal at 63rd jt3
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Lookina into making a walking path at park on Venetian Causeway.
Encouraqing a higher police profile in the Tatum Waterway area.
Efforts to up-dating Tram stop signs on Lincoln Road.
Efforts toward initiating a new booking policy for the Garden Cen
Sunnortina the Chamber of Commerce for a bicycle way.
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
a month in addition ot the
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issues concernIng LIncoln oa .
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Su orted efforts for the new Garden Center, including new plac ment
of Garden Center sign.
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BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 1 of 2
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
CHAIRPERSON:
JOY MALAKOFF
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY
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The Board of Adjustment is a quasi-judicial board that hears variance cases and appeals 'from-
administrative decisions. After hearing the applicant and/or a representative present their
case, and after hearing anyone from the public wishing to speak on a matter, the Board
members vote for approval or denial of the application. A super majority of 4 votes is needed
to approve all matters.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To continue hearing variance and appeal cases.
Note: The Board of Adjustment also sits as The Property Maintenance Standards Appeals
Board, and also as The Flood Plain Management Board.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
The Board has heard 32 new variance and appeal cases (including requests for modifications
and extensions oftime) as of June 5th of this year. They have also heard 19 Progress Reports
on existing cases.
Note: In 1997, the Board heard approximately 90 cases, in addition to ongoing Progress
Reports for 18 separate properties.
The Board's accomplishments up until now have been limited to adoption and amended
by-laws and holding monthly hearings during its monthly meetings. In those cases where
variances have been granted, stringent conditions have generally been imposed on the
property in an effort to minimize and/or eliminate any detrimental effect the variance(s) might
otherwise have on neighbors and the community in general.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To continue as stated above.
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BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL.REPORT FORM - PAGE 1 of2
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
(CDAC)
Community Development Advisory Committee
CHAIRPERSON:
Betty Gutierrez
CITY LIAISON:
Joanna Revelo
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: 14
ACTIVITY:
CDAC was actively involved with the consolidated planning process which includes
reviewing proposals for federal funding that the City receives [Community Development
Block Grants (CDBG), and Emergency Shelter Grants Program (ESGP) funding], and making
funding recommendations based on community needs for the One-Year Action Plan
component ofthe Five- Year Consolidated Plan.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
CDAC will continue to review proposed amendments to the Consolidated Plan andlor the
One- Y ear Action Plan.
CDAC will continue to evaluate the planning phase process for federal funds and will begin
preparing for the next fiscal year planning phase.
CDAC will monitor and give input to the City's budgeting process to leverage additional
dollars for the community's social service needs.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAreREPORT FORM - PAGE 2 of2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
After 14 evening meetings totalling 31.30 hours (between February 24, and June 18, 1998)
CDAC reviewed 51 proposals for CDBG, and ESGP applications for federal funds, and made
funding recommendations to the administration for the One-Year Action Plan component of
the Five-Year Consolidated Plan.
CDAC's Chairperson, Betty Gutierrez, and members, Gary Knight and Todd Narson
assisted the Administration at the City Commission meeting in which the Five-Year
Consolidated Plan was adopted.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The CDAC will continue to review proposed amendments to the Consolidated Plan and/or the
One- Year Action Plan.
CDAC will also evaluate the planning phase process for federal funds and will begin
preparing for the next fiscal year planning phase.
CDAC will monitor and give input to the City's budgeting process to leverage additional
dollars for the community's social service needs.
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CONVENTION CENTER ADVISORY BOARD
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CITY HALL
1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE
TELEPHONE: 673-7411
DATE:
JUNE 16, 1998
TO:
CITY LIAISION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
ROBERT PARCHER cr
CITY CLERK
FROM:
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SUBJECT: BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
Chairperson or his/her designee shall bi-annually submit a completed written report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be fOfW"arded to the Commission as an LTC.
Thank. You
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CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLINS AVENUE - THE CARll-LON HOTEL
FEBRUARY 25, 1998
Page 1 of 103
Saul Gross
Next file is number 9796, 6801 Collins, the Carillon
Hotel.
Thomas Mooney
Okay, the applicant is requesting Design Review
approval for the renovation, alteration and partial
demolition of an existing hotel structure and the
construction of a 164 unit, 22-story hotel building
and a 50-story condominium tower. This
application was originally approved by the Design
Review Board, not this particular application, but
this project was originally approved by the Design
Review Board on December 6th, 1997. However,
the applicant failed to obtain a full building permit
within one year of said approval. That Design
Review approval then expired. The applicant has
submitted a new application under a new file for
essentially the same application as that which was
approved by the Board in December of 1997.
Speaker
Excuse me, Tom, that's December of 1996.
Thomas Mooney
1996, sorry. The description of the application is
listed in the staff report, but I won't go into that
because the architect will make that part of his
presentation. As indicated in the previous staff
report.. .
Saul Gross
Hold on, Tom, the stenographer's got a problem.
What's the...you can't hear?
Speaker
<inaudible> why don't you wait until they get
settled.
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
FEBRUARY 25, 1998
Page 2 of 134
You can't hear it with the board in the way? Okay,
maybe, could you move it over here? Just move it
out of the way. Or you can move...
Yeah, Saul, why don't you have the stenographer
come up here.
You know what, ma'am, the stenographer typically
sits up here. Could you relocate yourself up here?
Thomas Mooney
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Is there a chair up there?
We can bring one...
Yeah.
...I'm sure.
That'll be better.
<inaudible>
Okay, Tom, would you continue, please?
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
Fll..E No. 9796 - 6801 COLLINS A VENUE - THE CARll..LON HOTEL
FEBRUARY 25, 1998
Page 3 of 134
Thomas Mooney
As indicated in the analysis, staff is generally pleased
with the design of the project in light of the fact that
the scale is a little bit larger than what would be
allowed now as this project was submitted prior to
the ordinance amending the design bonuses and the
height restrictions in the code. As such, staff has
recommended that the project be approved subject
to the conditions enumerated in the staff report and
we would make the staff report a permanent part of
the record.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you, Tom. Lucia...
Lucia Dougherty
Again, Lucia Dougherty with offices at 1221
Brickell Avenue, here today on behalf of the owner.
With me is Andy Groover who's the owner's
representative. On December 3 rd, 1996 you
approved the exact same project that you're going to
see today. And in fact we got variances for that
project and those variances do not expire until
September of this year. This is a very complex
project. What I mean by that is that Bernardo Fort-
Brescia started working on this project literally four
years before it ever came before the Design Review
Board. It took us a year to negotiate a contract with
Swiss Hotels, which is still in existence and we have
joint venture partners that literally live in different
countries. They don't even live in the United States
and they live in different countries. We have three
joint venture partners involved in this thing. And a
three hundred million dollar project.
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
FEBRUARY 25, 1998
Page 4 of 134
Procedurally it is just, and furthermore we were
proceeding along trying to get a covenant in lieu of
unity of title approved for this site because we were
going to have one owner of the hotel and another
owner of the condominiums and a possible third
owner of the site. So we were proceeding along this
line, so the City of Miami Beach has decided they
want to rethink whether or not they want to permit
that kind of scheme of ownership. So in light of
that, it has been really difficult to not only finance
this project, but get a building permit within the
year's requirement. Typically, you would see us
coming before you and asking you for an extension
of time and you would typically grant that kind of
extension of time, but for the fact that in between
the time that this was approved and today we have a
change in law with has a height restriction which this
project is not conforming.
So, before Bernardo Fort-Brescia and Reynaldo
BOIjes actually make a presentation on this project,
we have a neighbor who is supportive of this project
and she would like to speak on its behalf because
she has to leave. If you don't mind, Mr. Chairman, if
we could sort of break order before the architect
presents the project.
Saul Gross
Who's that, Rochelle?
Lucia Dougherty
Yes, sir.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Rochelle Malick
Honorable Chairman and distinguished board.
Saul Gross
Rochelle, just introduce yourself
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Rochelle Malick
My name is Rochelle Malick. I reside at 870
Lakeview Drive, Miami Beach. I have been on
Miami Beach for the last forty-five years. We are
directly north, we are the Golden Sands, directly
north of their project. We have gone through bad
years here on Miami Beach. Weare looking
forward to the good years. It has not been easy for
people in the North Beach to hold on. It is critical,
it is necessary, not only for this project, but for each
and every one of you sitting on this board to please
move forward in order to see that this project gets
your endorsement, your help, and all speed ahead
because there's many people that cannot wait
through the process of the bad years before. I know
that all due diligence is being done on your behalf
and on behalf of the developers and yes, we support
the project, 100 percent as their neighbor to the
north. I thank you.
Saul Gross
Rochelle, are you speaking on behalf of the board, is
it a condo to the north?
Rochelle Malick
No sir, we are a hotel.
Saul Gross
A hotel.
Rochelle Malick
We're 103 units directly north. We're literally
adjacent to their parcel.
Saul Gross
So are you speaking for yourself, or for your
building?
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Rochelle Malick
No sir, I am, I am the owner's representative as well
as a part owner in the Golden Sands.
Saul Gross
Okay, all right, thank you.
Rochelle Malick
Y oulre welcome, sir. Thank you for the
opportunity.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Lucia Dougherty
Fred, I'd like the architects now to present the
project.
Saul Gross
Okay, just to clarify the legal context and we seem
to be, we're a Design Review Board but it seems to
be like a law body here. The zoning changed. Your
building was too tall under the new code. So you've
lowered it to comply with the new code?
Lucia Dougherty
No.
Saul Gross
No.
Lucia Dougherty
It's exactly the same size.
Saul Gross
But I thought there are no variances for height.
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Thomas Mooney
No, what had happened was, they were approved in
December of 96, which means they had one year to
obtain building permit. They had until December of
1997. In between December of 96 and December of
97, the ordinance was amended imposing a height
limitation. Since they did not request an extension
of time prior to that amendment, they needed to
have, they were not eligible to request an extension
of time after the amendment was passed. Which
basically means if they didn't request an ex..., which
means that if they didn't pull their full building
permit by December of 1997, they couldn't request
an extension oftime. So, they made a submission
before the FAR ordinance changed. However, they
are allowed to go in under the old height ordinance
due to the fact that they had a variance which is still
active. Do you follow?
Saul Gross
No, I don't, I don't follow that. In other words, they
couldn't.. .
Thomas Mooney
They couldn't request a DRB extension of time
because they were non-conforming. However, they
could still uti!..., they could still go in under the old
code'and <inaudible> height.
Saul Gross
And file a new application for the same project?
Thomas Mooney
.. .file a new application for the same project because
they had an active variance. A variance has been
granted.
Lucia Dougherty
In other words zoning in progress kicks in not only
for DRB but also variances.
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Thomas Mooney
If you have a variance. So their zoning in progress
was still active.
Saul Gross
Diana, you're looking as puzzled as I feel.
Diana
Well, I haven't heard any of these facts before. This
is all new to me so, you know, I don't know the
background and I don't know the facts so I can't tell
you anything. I just, I had not heard it before. Have
we had other cases like this?
Saul Gross
I've never heard one.
Diana
I guess, like other applications to the extent, this
board could certainly consider this application which
is before you
Saul Gross
No, I'm just trying to understand it...
Diana
...and if there is this issue you can certainly direct
your staff, both legal and planning, to look further
into the issue. If you're going to make a final ruling
today on it, I would suggest that any final ruling be
subject to further review of this issue only because I
simply don't know enough facts to give you any
direction or give direction to the planning staff
So...
Saul Gross
Can I, can I just have the dates more clearly,
because that's maybe what I'm not understanding.
They can get in under the zoning in progress even
though they can't get the time extension? Is that
what you're saying?
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Lucia Dougherty
That's right. That's exactly right.
Saul Gross
And the reason for that is what? When was the
change in the ordinance proposed?
Diana
The change of the ordinance in the height restriction,
I'm not sure.
Saul Gross
Tom.
Diana
Tom.
Saul Gross
Tom...
Thomas Mooney
Hold on for one second.
Saul Gross
Because that's fairly recent. The commission just
did that about two months ago.
Lucia Dougherty
Right. We had a December 3rd, 1996 approval.
That expired. But we didn't ask for an extension of
time prior to the new height ordinance going into
effect. But we did ask for an extension of time for
the Board of Adjustment, so it is still in effect and
it's still in effect until September of this year.
Because that is still in effect, we are still under
zoning in progress because zoning in progress kicks
in not only for Design Review Board but also Board
of Adjustment applications. So had we come in at
the same time and asked for both extensions of time,
we would have been okay. We didn't.
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Saul Gross
You would have... Just forgot to.
Lucia Dougherty
I can't tell you why that happened, but it didn't
happen.
Saul Gross
Okay. Are you guys caucusing over there, or?
Diana
Yeah, I mean we're just, Tom is trying to give me
some more facts. You know, I can only tell you the
following, I mean, I just can't give you a specific
ruling. Tom has discussed this, he tells me, you
know, with Dean generally but, this sounds to me
like it's a significant enough issue that you're going
to want to get more clear direction on it. But again,
I donlt think that bars you going forward and
discussing the topic, but clearly this issue would
have to be addressed and any ruling that this board
would make, if they ultimately rule today, would be
subject to that.
Saul Gross
Right.
Diana
I'm going to be very clear about this...
Saul Gross
<inaudible> no, I, you know...
Diana
...ifthis board ruled that, if this board let's just say
granted an approval today, and on further review of
this issue, in fact the application would be
inappropriate, then that final ruling would be moot.
The application would fail if that <inaudible>
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Lucia Dougherty
Actually what would happen is we would have to
get a height variance.
Saul Gross
But here are no variances for height.
Diana
Yes there is.
Saul Gross
There are?
Diana
Sure.
Saul Gross
I thought only the city could get those.
Diana
You just can't get an FAR, you can't get a series of
variances, but height's not one of the prohibited
variances. I don't think they're very commonly
requested or granted but, there isn't a stated
prohibition. So, my only point is that, if the board
elects, you can go forward and deliberate. This
issue, in my opinion should be looked at further.
Saul Gross
Mmhm.
Diana
And if ultimately it's determined that the application
would not, I'm not saying this would be determined,
but if it's determined that the application is not
appropriate, then that would overrule any order that
this board entered.
Saul Gross
Okay, what was the date of the change in the height
under the ordinance?
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Thomas Mooney
August or September.
Saul Gross
August or September.
Speaker
Yeah, I have the, I'm going to pull the ordinance.
John Schubin
Mr. Chairman?
Saul Gross
I'm sorry to just take an extra minute. I'm just trying
to understand this because it's...
John Schubin
Just to add one other point, John Schubin from the
Sterling Condominium, it's going to be our position,
and you'll hear it later, that the variances are void,
that the variances are still not in effect because the
variances were not received within six months.
There was an application for an extension of the
variance within six months, the variance was
received after six months...
Saul Gross
You've got that retroactive issue.
John Schubin
Well, the form of the, the code specifically says it's
null and void at six months. Once again we have
another administrative interpretation from Mr.
Grandon that says it's fine to keep the variances in
effect.
Saul Gross
Bless you.
Speaker
Thank you.
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Diana
One second. What John is raising, if I understand
correctly, please correct me ifI'm wrong, is a
separate issue regarding...
Saul Gross
I know that, yeah.
Diana
... when an application, when a request for an
extension can be filed.
Saul Gross
We've had that at DRB also.
Diana
Exactly, and that is a separate issue, which I believe
has been addressed if you want Tom, I think,
<inaudible> for Tom that Dean has already said that
as long as it's received before the expiration.
Saul Gross
No, I know that, they've always taken...right.
Diana
But that is, that is, but that's a separate issue than
the...
Saul Gross
Right.
Diana
...issue that's being addressed now. Okay.
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Saul Gross
All right, well, I don't want to take up everyone's
time on this legal issue. Like you said, it will be
reserved and any order will be subject to that, so
why don't we get Bernardo to make the presentation
and if we can wake him up back there. Bernardo,
you, you all right? Okay. Why don't you go ahead
and present to us.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Good afternoon, members of the DRB. I'm
Bernardo Fort-Brescia. I'm a principle with
Architectonica, the architects for this project. I
think only two of the members of this board were
present at the original presentation, so I think I
should go ahead and do another, even though it'll be
repetitive for some of you, the presentation about
the design. It has been quite a while since this
project was designed and it's gone through a lot of
effort to take it to where it is and to the level of
reality in which it is now. And, but the design is
really holds very much the same of what was
presented at the time with minor adjustments that
were made as a result of the recommendations from
the Planning Department. And I'll take you through
those as well.
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The project consists of three components. There's a
board in front of you that shows the building from
both the waterfront as well as from Collins Avenue.
The first, the first component is one that is existing
which is the current 17 -story tower of the old
Carillon Hotel which was completed in the 1960's
and it was originally one of the premier resorts in
Miami Beach, a very well-known hotel. It is, and
we are preserving the tower component of this
building. As you know, the building is
grandfathered with respect to the coastal
requirements because it is located forward of the
coastal control line and within it we are reorganizing
the arrangement of the rooms and bathrooms and
upgrading the hotel to the standards of today. One
second.
The second component is the addition directly south
of the hotel of a new pool deck area and a courtyard
at the center of the whole composition of the hotel
and a new convention and meeting room facility and
restaurants forward and to the south of the hotel and
the plaza.
And the third element, directly behind it is the suite
component of the hotel. It is an old suite tower. It
rises seventeen stories above five levels of podium
which contain both parking and services and directly
to the north there is a high-rise condominium tower
which rises over six levels of parking with forty-
three stories of tower at the highest point. These are
the three components. In other words, it's the
renovation of the existing hotel tower, the
construction of a new all suite tower and amenities
for the hotel and a residential tower directly to the
north.
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In these drawings you can see the massing and what
we were trying to achieve. We were confronted
here with a substantial project. The hotel has,
including the suites, has approximately 650 keys.
It's a, it will be able to serve the convention business
in Miami as well as a large-scale tourist business. It
is a hotel that will be operated by the Swiss Hotel
chain owned by the Swiss airline, Swiss Air.
They are, you can see here from this elevation the
existing hotel tower post-renovation with its new
arrival point with additional convention facilities and
exhibition space. This is the exhibition hall that
would occur here above it and the suite hotel here.
And I'm going to take you with that through the
floor plans because, and I'll explain that through the
landscape plan in terms of siting because to take you
through every single interior space in the hotel
would be very lengthy, but one of the most difficult
situations currently with the hotel is that there is a
swift and short and steep ramp that takes you up to
a drop-off at this point and takes you immediately
down to the street with what we consider not
enough queuing space for the kind of business that
this hotel will command.
So we reorganized the entrance and we created an
arrival court and one of the objectives was also that
when you arrive to the hotel you're able to see the
waterfront, something that doesn't happen very often
in Miami Beach and our client and ourselves thought
it was a good idea to immediately give the sense of
arrival to the beach and expose the real virtue of the
location that is the sand and the ocean in front of it.
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We therefore, also, reorganized the ramping to enter
to an arrival court that would allow vehicles to
bypass each other and stop by and drop off on this
side to the convention facilities and to this side to
the hotel facilities. So that there is, there are two
points of entry also spreading the traffic to the, from
the meeting rooms to the hotel and allowing you to
look out through this courtyard. And this courtyard
opens up from the restaurants and cafes on both
sides. So this will be more of a dining court that is
elevated from the ground looking out to the water.
The other reason for this rise is because we now had
to comply with the flood criteria requirements of
today and we had to arrive at that higher elevation
and we had to comply with ADA. Currently, when
you go to the hotel you have to climb steps to reach
up to the current lobby and this new ramping and
this length of ramping allowed us to position the
driveway at the elevation of the current lobby. It is
below this whole area that we have a single level of
parking that is all valet parking that, if you can show
it to them Reynaldo so I can go through this
quicker, it is all valet parking. It's able to come
down from the ramp and back into here and come,
and vehicles can come up again and there is a very
large floor serving the hotel, as well as additional
parking that occurs in the lower levels of the parking
podium to the north which contains both hotel
parking and residential parking.
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I have to point out that this hotel, even though it has
convention facilities, does not fall into the so-called
convention district and therefore we were required
to provide parking spaces as for a regular hotel
somewhere else in Miami Beach, which forced us to
provide this very large amount of parking that you
see on the site. We, however, intentionally sought
to keep the public spaces as close as possible to the
elevation of the beach, right above the dune height
which is where this terrace is. And this permitted
us, therefore, to maintain a low profile with the
southern end of the property and move more of the
parking to the north side. And also, obviously if we
did a big garage it would be blocking the old
building, about a third of the old, of the existing
Carillon building.
Yes, here you can see one of the upper levels and I
wanted to show them the cross-level so that they
understand how this links up, there's a level in-
between, right? While I'm here, I think, at this level,
I also should point out the retail edge that occurs
along the parking podium to the north. This is
something that was discussed and reviewed with city
officials with respect to concealing the parking from
the street and we have some drawings that reflect
that and everything you see here is part of that
landscape design that is now in a more advanced
stage and in response to the comments received at
the final approval last year.
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It is, you can see also that we have a covered
walkway in front of the parking that is forward of
the parking that creates a different scale right next to
the street and then the parking rises behind it. You
have that intermediate level, right? To clarify where
all this happens, yeah there you go, the arrival court
is under cover. Vehic1es are able to drop people
even in inclement weather into both the hotel and
the ballroom facilities on the other side and as you
see in this drawing, the hotel and the meeting
facilities and the function rooms are connected by a
bridge, a very wide bridge, that becomes the canopy
that protects the cars from the weather below at the
arrival drop-off that I indicated. This also allows
people coming, that are staying at the hotel to be
able to cross over to the meeting room facilities and
also we incorporated into that equivalent level all the
corporate suites for exhibitors and vendors that may
choose to use that additional space for private
exhibits within the building.
Also, some of the other aspects that we had to
address was relocating the functions, service
functions of the hotel that were in the lower level
that are, that, where the parking is now, to the
mezzanines, because of flood criteria we could no
longer have laundries and kitchens and other
services that were in those lower levels and those
are all concealed in those intermediate floors. And
finally, with respect to the condominium tower to
the north, you can see over to the left-hand side of
that drawing the podium design with the afternoon
swimming pool. We have a swimming pool on the
oceanfront on the lower leveL..
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Can we show them at the same time, the site? ...of
the lower level of the hotel right on the sand. At the
lowest level here, there's a secondary pool. There's
a linear pool that cascades down and there's a
second pool here with a bar and so forth right next
to the boardwalk, adjacent to the boardwalk at the
beach. And there's a second swimming pool,
equally, a morning swimming pool on that side of
the apartment building and, of the residential
building, and finally you can see here on the upper
deck the afternoon pool and the lap pool that is
connected to the fitness center of the condominium
tower.
So, among other features is that on top of that
exhibit space we have also two tennis courts and on
top of the exhibit space, of the ballroom space we
have this landscaped lawn and planting on top of
that, on top of that volume. And we have some
renderings that depict some of these spaces on top
of the podium. Finally, I need to address the
composition of the tower. And if you were to look
at the elevations straight on at the same time as we
look at these perspectives, this is how we reached
the design of the building.
What we were seeking was to create some angle of
view by which we picked up a diagonal that took us
up this way and allowed us also at the same time,
not only to open up the sky to the court, but also
establish some geometry relationships between the
hotel buildings and the apartment building. And you
can see that what we sought was first to change the
scale of the building by introducing this plaid grid,
this irregular grid that you see happening in these
two volumes and this we sought to distort somewhat
the scale of the building but also give it a big scale
along the skin with this grid.
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But also, at the same time, we try to break up the
massing of this building running parallel to the
waterfront and we essentially combined this L-
shaped piece and this second piece that is, appears
as suspended up in the air and separated them with
this curvilinear balcony striping that you see in-
between in this coral color. The same feature occurs
in reverse with this additional L-shape over to the
south side and the striping occurring in-between as
well so that this line picked up onto that line and
across to that line and at the same time we created
this vortex leading down onto the main public space
next to the existing building.
It is, I think I explained the retail here at the base
where you can see the curvilinear arcade that occurs
at the base which also appears in some of these 3D
drawings that you see here.
But, the other aspect was that we chose to push the
suite building as far away from the beach as possible
to open up the space. In fact, by pushing this
building forward closest, as close as possible as
permitted by code to Collins Avenue, we created a
larger space between the existing Carillon building
and the Sterling Condominium to the south and also,
in fact, opened up the vistas of the condominium
windows out to the waterfront because the small
building is not where it traditionally would occur, in
fact parallel, perpendicular to the street and parallel
to the property lines all the way out to the line of
construction of the Sterling.
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But, instead this building was pushed way back and
close to the street. This is a smaller building and we
chose to do that for that purpose. The second
building which is taller is intentionally, instead,
reversed and is recessed from the street as much as
possible. So that you can see here from the
perspective, the impact of the smaller building in
relation to the street as being more in scale with the
existing buildings of the neighborhood. And the
building to the north, in effect, pulling back in
perspective you can see how the skylines of these
buildings meet.
It is, I was seeking to show you is that in contrast
the view from the waterfront, where you can see
here the massing of the Sterling building forward,
you can see the recess created by the suite building
and the amount of open space that is developed in-
between these two towers and how by turning this
building around it allows our windows of our hotel
to be able to look out to the view this way. Then
we have the core of the hotel that is really in line
with the tower parallel to the waterfront and the
balance of the hotel rooms looking to the afternoon
pool and back to the bay. The position of this
building was quite critical in relation to the
orientation of the rooms and the positioning of the
rooms on the north side of the hotel.
And so this gives you a general approach. The
building is roughly, approximately close to the
middle of the site with respect to the water at the
beach and Collins Avenue, while this building
creates that larger open space. I think I can address
the balance of the issues in the question and answer
period but, is there anything else? But, this is a
summary of the project. Thank you very much.
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Saul Gross
Bernardo, one second. I'm sorry, just tell me, are
you in agreement with the staff's conditions? Which
you haven't seen probably.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, we, with the original staff conditions, yes. L.
Saul Gross
Not the original ones, the ones in the staff report
that's in front of us. I don't know whether they're
any different. I mean, are these exactly the same
renderings and plans that you presented to the board
the last time? You didn't incorporate any of the staff
comments?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, with the exception of the comments that I will
point out. We have highlights.
Saul Gross
You need the micro...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible> Sorry about that. They requested that
we delete the helicopter pad.
Saul Gross
Are you being facetious or is that true?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No, no, it's true.
Saul Gross
All right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We had a heliport, in fact, on top of the suite tower
that connected to the convention room and we were
asked to delete it.
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Speaker
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Okay, folks, please, you need to make all the
comments on the record.
Bernardo Fort- Brescia
Well, there isn't one. We have deleted it.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
There's no helicopter pad.
Saul Gross
Deleted as in removed.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, removed. There is no helicopter pad.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But yes, there was one in the original design.
Saul Gross
All right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
In the original design there was no arcade. As you
see in the perspective, the parking garage came
directly down to the ground and now it is, there's an
arcade that is forward of the garage and then the
garage is recessed in relation to that arcade. We can
show you that. You have a section of that? Yeah,
there was an arcade but it was flush with the garage
and now it's forward of the garage. The third one...
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Saul Gross
So it's closer to the sidewalk.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
It's closer to the sidewalk, and...
Speaker
How far away is it from the sidewalk, the arcade?
In other words, just, pedestrian experience there.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, one of the concerns was that previously our
arcade was not only not projecting forward of the
parking, but also was very far away from the curb.
Saul Gross
Right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And, which is what the original code, which is more
suburban, required so it was way back there and
they permitted us to come forward with the arcade
to come closer to the sidewalk so that some of the
circulation is open air under the trees and some of it
is under cover at the arcade and then the retail
occurs as shown in these corrective sections.
Saul Gross
So how close did you get to the sidewalk? That's
the question.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible> what is the actual dimension that they...
I saw the floor plans and were...
Speaker
<inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah. Well, we need to give them the exact
number, so...
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Saul Gross
And also it's raised, right? You have to go up a
series of steps.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, that's right. And those steps are incorporated
into the shape of the arcade, that curvilinear shape of
the arcade. I need to get you that exact dimension.
Saul Gross
All right, well we'll come back to that, while he's
looking.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We'll get back to it. The third comment was that we
had a trellis that connected and covered the parking
and loading areas. The main loading areas of this
project are located in a service space that occurs
between the parking garage and the residential tower
within the hotel, right here in the middle. And we
had a trellis here that covered them as you look
down from the rooms and we were asked to delete
that trellis, because this is part of the view corridor
and when there's a trellis then it doesn't count as a
view corridor. Am I correct, Tom? That's part of
the...
Thomas Mooney
I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That we were asked to delete the trellis because the
trellis that connected...
Thomas Mooney
Yes, you were,
Bernardo Fort Brescia
... the two buildings interfered with <inaudible> view
corridor.
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Thomas Mooney
...exactly, to keep it, keep it open air. And you
relocated the cooling towers.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And relocated, we had cooling towers here on grade
and we were asked to relocate them to the rooftops
ofthe buildings. And so, they were deleted as well.
Saul Gross
So now we're looking at, what, the back of the pool
or?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
You look through and there's a landscaping sort of
mound of planting that occurs at the end instead of
the cooling towers...
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... which are at the end of the pool, but you don't
really see the pool. The arcade is curvilinear as you
see it here, so it ranges from twelve to fifteen feet,
as shown here in this floor plan and the steps are at
the edge of that arcade, as shown here. The other
request was that they asked us to wrap around the
retail around the corners, as you see here. So as
you're driving out of the hotel you see the retail here
and as you're turning the corner here that you would
have more depth of retail from that side.
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And the last thing they asked us is to highlight
further the arrival point to the lobby of the
residential building which is highlighted by this
circular canopy that intersects and bites with the
rectangular shape of the building as shown in this
dotted line and it also appears here. We shaded the
areas where we made the changes, so you can see
here the new roof of the arcade, the new location of
the arcade and the curvilinear canopy that marks the
entrance below this parking to the main lobby of the
residential tower. Are there any other points that I
missed?
Saul Gross
Okay, so those are the changes that have been made.
The staff comments now, Tom, are those the same
as the staff comments to the prior?
Thomas Mooney
The staff comments are all new comments applicable
to this new application.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes. There's one more...
Thomas Mooney
And they include, and they are reflective of the
changes that Bernardo has talked about.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, there's one more point that, in response to
comments regarding the relationship to the Sterling
building on this side, the suites hotel was re-
proportioned and was reduced by 14 feet in depth
and narrowed down and the same square footage
was reorganized within the same space.
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Saul Gross
Making it taller, you mean?
Paul Murphy
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
You just need to speak on the mike.
Paul Murphy
In response to...
Saul Gross
Tell us your name.
Paul Murphy
Paul Murphy, I'm part of the development team. In
response to the Sterling Condominium Association
at the time, they had requested if we could decrease
the width of the building, so we redesigned the
suites tower to the south and reduced it by fourteen
feet in width. We kept the same fa~ade on Collins
Avenue, but decreased the width by fourteen feet.
Saul Gross
So you reduced the square footage of the
<inaudible>?
Paul Murphy
No, the square footage stayed the same. I think we
just went up one story or something like that.
Saul Gross
The arithmetic doesn't bear that out too well. If you
took fourteen feet off the width out of a 15 -story
building, how many stories is the suites hotel?
Paul Murphy
Seventeen stories.
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Saul Gross
Seventeen stories, so you took off fourteen feet
off..
Paul Murphy
I think we added two levels...
Saul Gross
Two levels. Okay. All right. Okay, so that's the
project. Thank you very much. Now we'll take
some input from the public.
Saul Gross
Anyone who would like to speak, please come
forward.
John Schubin
I would like to. For the record, my name is John
Schubin of the law firm of Schubin and Bass. I'm
joined here today by my partner Jeffrey Bass. We
represent the interests of the Sterling Condominium
Association, which is directly to the south of the
proposed project. We also represent the individual
interests of Amy Hernandez. I am going to leave to
you the dialogue with Mr. Fort-Brescia regarding
the propriety of the design of this building. It
would, it is not really my purpose or my role or my
responsibility to engage in such a dialogue with him,
but I am going to point out to you and point out for
the record why you will be wasting your time
discussing this building as it is presently designed
because it cannot be built as proposed.
First let me address the issue of the variance.
Specifically there was a variance on file number
2548 for Transnational Properties, Inc. There were
two meeting dates, January 3rd, 1997 and March
7th, 1997. And let me read from the summary of the
variance. "Provided the applicant shall build..."
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...adjustment variance that they're relying on that
they claim has been extended. Let me read again.
"Provided the applicant shall build in accordance
with the plan submitted as part of this file, and as
approved by the Zoning Board of Adjustment with
any applicable modifications, the applicant shall have
a building permit for the work contemplated herein,
issued by the Building Department within a period of
six months from the date of the second hearing," in
parenthesis, "March 7th, 1997. Otherwise this order
shall become null and void, unless the issuance of
such permit is stayed by an appeal of this order to a
court of competent jurisdiction. "
Well number one, I think there was testimony, and
I'll stand corrected, that the plans that are submitted
here today were not the exact plans that were
submitted as part of the original file. And secondly,
there is nothing in the record that suggests that there
was a stay of the issuance of any building permit or
any approval by a court of competent jurisdiction.
Saul Gross
Okay, let's hear if Ms. Dougherty wants to respond
to that. Lucia, do you have a copy of the order he's
reading from?
Lucia Dougherty
No, <inaudible>.
Saul Gross
Do you want to look at his, or you don't trust it?
Okay, make your other arguments while she looks.
John Schubin
I'll continue this for a second. My understanding is
that staff, particularly Mr. Grandon has taken the
position that because there was a request...
Saul Gross
Okay...
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John Schubin
.. . for an extension that was made before the six
months, even though it was granted after the
variance became null and void, somehow this
extension can breathe life into a null and void
variance. Now not withstanding the fact that the
variance controls, and the variance doesn't say that
an application for an extension somehow can breathe
new life into it, this is the position that they're taking
and it's completely untenable. And on top of that,
the variance itself is specifically linked to the plans
and to the best of my knowledge, those plans are not
the plans that are before you here today. So when
the staff report takes the...
Saul Gross
Why do you say that? He said that they're the same
plans, just incorporating...
John Schubin
He said there were modifications.
Saul Gross
Incorporating the Design Review Board comments.
John Schubin
Well, I'll leave it to you to determine whether those
are the same plans as contemplated by the variance,
even if..
Saul Gross
Okay.
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John Schubin
.. . you can get around the fact that they didn't receive
a building permit within six months. So when you
see the compliance with the zoning code and staff
takes the position that the application that's
proposed is inconsistent with the following aspects
of the city zoning code for which variances have
been granted, we're going to take the position, and if
we have to take it in court we're going to take it,
that those variances are null and void and any
attempt by Mr. Grandon to breathe new life into
them is also null and void and illegal.
Now let me get to the issue of concurrency
determination, because you will also note that there
is a specific finding that this is inconsistent with
certain Design Review criteria, a number of Design
Review criteria, but most importantly criterion
number fourteen which says, "The overall project
shall be reviewed for compliance with the city's
comprehensive plan or neighborhood plan that apply
to or affect the subject property." Now what I find
interesting is Mr. Grandon gets up here and staff
gets up here and says, when you read this provision
it really has nothing to do with traffic concurrency.
But then what does he say in the staff report? He
says, "Although the project complies with all other
aspects of the comprehensive plan, it is not
consistent with the traffic circulation element." So
the staff is taking the position on the one hand, that
traffic circulation is a proper element of criterion 14,
that it isn't satisfied, but you hear today that it's
something that you can't consider. It's absolutely
outrageous.
Saul Gross
I don't think that's what Mr. Grandon said at all. He
said that with respect to the concurrency we're not,
the board is not making that determination, but that
traffic circulation is an element not having to do with
concurrency, but having to do with the design
guidelines.
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John Schubin
And what I'm telling you is until Mr. Grandon has
the legal authority to rewrite section eighteen and
rewrite the zoning ordinance, you have to follow the
specific criteria, the specific criteria that are set forth
and in the Design Review ordinance that is one of
your criteria and it's not satisfied.
Saul Gross
Which criteria? That it meets with the
comprehensive plan, you mean?
John Schubin
Absolutely.
Saul Gross
Okay.
John Schubin
It says you shall review all applications for
determination that it meets the following criteria.
Now let me make an argument that I didn't feel I had
to make at the 20 Venetian Way argument, but I'll
make it simply because everyone is trying to do
everything within their power to get out from under
that decision because of the impact that it might
have. Let's turn to section 22-2 of the zoning
ordinance. It says, it's section A, "It is mandatory
that all future developments in the City of Miami
Beach shall be consistent with the city's adopted
comprehensive plan. No development," and I'll
emphasize that development is underlined, "shall
receive approval until the determination of
consistency has been made by the city's planning and
zoning director."
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Now, development happens to be a defined term as
well. And what development says, and I'm reading
from section three, page three seven, section three,
the definition section, development, and I quote,
"The undertaking of any building or construction
including new construction, rehabilitation,
renovation, or redevelopment, the making of any
material changes in the use or appearance of
property or structures, the subdivision of land, or
any other action for which development approval is
necessary." Development approval is also a defined
term and I don't' think anyone will contend that
development approval is what they are seeking here
today.
They are seeking development approval from the
Design Review Board and section 22-2 says that it is
mandatory that they will be consistent. You have a
specific finding, a specific finding from staff that it
doesn't meet concurrency and if any of you saw 20
Venetian Way, each, the argument at 20 Venetian
Way, each and every one of the arguments that are
being trotted out again was considered and rejected.
In fact, Mayor Kasdin specifically said, it's in the
Design Review criteria. Comprehensive planning is
an element of their jurisdiction. You can't take that
out from under them. What was the argument?
That Mr. Grandon was in a better position, and staff
was in a better position to make determinations
regarding concurrency. Well you all are not a board
of lay people. You are a board of experts, some of
you have engineering backgrounds.
Saul Gross
All right, you know, I'll let you make the point for
the record, which is what you need.
John Schubin
<inaudible> make the point.
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Saul Gross
Yeah, I am, I'm letting you make the point for the
record, but all I'm saying is we're not going to
decide that issue today because we're not the policy
making board. So, I think you stated eloquently
that.. .
John Schubin
But let me also make the point for the record sir,
that if you, if you do not consider the arguments that
we're making here today where the code requires
you to, you are denying the Sterling, you are
denying the individual unit owners their procedural
due process based on something that is an illegal
determination by Mr. Grandon in the form of this
trumped up attempt to get around the specific
interpretation of the zoning code by the City of
Miami Commission. You cannot go forward on this
today, you cannot approve it. What you should do
is you should seek a comprehensive determination
from the director, from legal staff, but you cannot
approve it today or it is reversible error.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Other speakers, please come
forward. Anyone else who would like to speak on
this? Charles, I think he was next and then you.
Kenneth Werner
Is this mobile? I would like to discuss this...
Saul Gross
First you have to tell us your name.
Kenneth Werner
My name is Kenneth Werner. I'm a unit owner at
the Sterling Condominium.
Saul Gross
Okay.
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Kenneth Werner
And...
Saul Gross
That is mobile if you want to walk around.
Kenneth Werner
I'll only... It's stuck.
Saul Gross
You got to... Hold on.
Kenneth Werner
I'll only take...
Saul Gross
Just wait to speak into the mike.
Kenneth Werner
I'll only take a minute of your time. I only want to
discuss this residential tower. Mr. Marcus...
Saul Gross
You don't have to speak quite so loudly with the
microphone.
Kenneth Werner
I'm sorry.
Saul Gross
It's okay.
Kenneth Werner
I'm sorry.
Saul Gross
It's okay.
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Kenneth Werner
Mr. Marcus previously discussed the, in the case of
the Westin about harmonizing an older building with
a newer building, I submit to you that this is a
successful example of harmonizing with an older
building. And...
Saul Gross
Which, when you're saying this, what are you
pointing to?
Kenneth Werner
Okay, to the suites hotel, the smaller building which
harmonizes design-wise with the older building, the
original hotel and here we have a grotesque,
monstrous, what is this? This is a tower with a
stump on it. It's a disgrace aesthetically and as
architects I think you're all familiar with the dictum
form follows function. Here you have its
perversion, form follows finance. Architectonica is a
well-respected firm, but this is a disgrace. Thank
you.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you.
Charles Schaab
My turn?
Saul Gross
Yeah.
Charles Schaab
Thank you. My name is Charles Schaab. I live at
301 Ocean Drive. I'm the chairman of an
organization called Save Miami Beach. I'm here in
that capacity. I would like to ask the proponent of
this project if you could tell us what the dimension is
south of the residential tower to the north. What is
that length?
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Saul Gross
He's talking about the width of the condominium
tower.
Charles Schaab
The condominium tower from north to south.
What's that dimension? I'd also like to know if it is
the staff comments that this is acceptable.
Saul Gross
The, just as a way of..
Thomas Mooney
I don't understand your question, if it's acceptable.
Saul Gross
As a way...
Charles Schaab
Is the staff saying that this...
Saul Gross
Let's give him some background. When this project
was originally presented to the board and approved
by the board, the staff filed an appeal saying that
they thought that the condominium tower should be
oriented perpendicular to the beach instead of
parallel to it, so as not to wall off the vistas to, I
think is the point you're getting at. All right, what
was the disposition of the appeal?
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Thomas Mooney
What had happened was staff had appealed the
original approval, actually we didn't really appeal it.
Let me, let me back up. Staff had, the
administration based upon the recommendation of
the Planning and Zoning Department had
contemplated an appeal of this project last
December. We then went into a set of negotiations
with the applicant to try to resolve our, all the
outstanding issues so that we could avert an appeal
and it was concluded after a lot of back and forth
that the administration could live with the parallel
orientation of the building to Collins Avenue as
opposed to a perpendicular orientation if they would
develop the <inaudible> they have in this respect.
Notwithstanding that in the original staff report we
had recommended that the building become parallel.
Notwithstanding the fact that...
Saul Gross
No, that the building become perpendicular.
Thomas Mooney
I'm sorry, perpendicular to Collins Avenue.
Notwithstanding that because this is a new
application that's very, very similar to the previous
application and based upon the stance that we took
in terms of the negotiations in order to avert an
appeal of the matter last December, we therefore
supported that.
Saul Gross
Two Decembers ago.
Thomas Mooney
No, therefore, what, we're supporting this new
application.
Saul Gross
Right.
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Thomas Mooney
So, our, our, you know, the long and the short of it
is, yeah, we are recommending approval of the
project subject to the site plan.
Charles Schaab
Well, I just find that stunning. The problem, with all
due respect, it's not the administration that has to
live with this. It's the residents who live to the west.
It's everyone who has to get up every day of his or
her life living in that area and has to look at this
building. If you look at context, this building is
vertical to the beach, or perpendicular. This is
perpendicular. This isn't perpendicular, but it's not
particularly large, and the one down there is
perpendicular. This project is entirely out of
context. There is no question. If you don't like the
Floridian, if you don't like the Yacht Club, if you
want tall slender towers, there's a tall slender tower,
but this is the perfect case of tall slender towers.
There's a tall slender tower, which is oriented
entirely the wrong way.
And it was quite clear from the architect's
presentation that all consideration as to how to site
this related to how, what happened to the hotel
rooms here and what happened to all of their
project. The, there is no hiding of a mass. You
can't change colors. You can't notch things and so
forth. This is still a mass. I don't know if this is two
hundred feet long, but it looks damned close to me.
Two hundred and twenty-five feet, a two hundred
and twenty-five foot wall that's a minimum thirty
stories across North Beach. How can anybody
suggest that this is going to benefit North Beach?
How can anyone who's a true and good architect
and urbanist suggest that this is the right way to
treat this project? This is inexcusable. This is
inexcusable. It does no more with context of the
line of buildings or with that neighborhood.
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I would invite all of you to come over here. You
should see what this thing looks like from this side.
You have, you have a six-story garage. There's
nothing on here but some, but some screen and
some, and some lines. You have a, you have a block
long entrance to this hotel on the south that has not
one bit of urban life on the front of it, just a long
driveway. You have the walks to the beach with
what I have feeling there is no habitable space along
this. There's no habitable space of the walk along
the beach here.
You know, I cannot conceive that someone can
present a project such as this in an urban
environment. You have small buildings over here.
There's no context to this project. This project is
simply comparable to something that you would
dump in Times Square and expect people to live
with it. It's a project to get eight hundred cars in
and out. It's a project for conventions. You know, I
think perhaps in some ways, and horrifying that it
might be, it might be wise to suggest to people that
they don't have the right to build their FAR if it's out
of context.
You know, that's what this board is about. This
board is about context and about how it relates and I
would challenge anyone to come over to this side
and tell me how this project relates to the street and
how this project relates. You have a solid wall here.
People are to walk to this beach I suppose, or to
view the beach coming down here and there's
nothing on the other side of this building, except
some columns, it appears to be facing a walL
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So I would submit to you under all of the, of the
standards that are laid out in the zoning code that
this project does not meet those. That the reason,
and just one last aside, the reason they have the west
pool, I presume, is because for a substantial portion
of this day they will have shadowed the beach. This
beach belongs to everyone. This is not their beach.
They don't have the right to say, well we're going to
put our people over here and meanwhile the rest of
the world is going to be in shadow. There's a great
responsibility here when you build on the water and
these people have only looked at the responsibility
of what they're going to do from the inside with their
own project. And this building one, shouldn't be
built because of its height. I understand that the
attorneys will tell us we can have height, but I to this
day don't understand that. It's absurd. And you've
got a project that simply creates a 225-foot wall.
We all are horrified by the Floridian. We're all
horrified by the Yacht Club. We're all horrified by
the Blue and Green Diamonds because we know
what they're doing and what we are getting is every
mile, every mile on this beach there's going to be one
of these horrible projects. 63rd, 53rd, 43rd, 33rd,
we're going to get them and we've got them on the
west.side now and we're all going to be living with
these walls if this board and this city doesn't stop.
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Now the commission has said it wants it stopped
and they are the ultimate, actually the voters are the
ultimate policy makers in this city and they have
spoken a number of times, and they are the ones
who are, we are all to respond to. Secondly, the
commission has spoken. Everyone has said we don't
want the basically tall buildings. That's what we
don't want any more and definitely we don't want
walls and that's all this is. It's one wall to
accommodate a developer and I would suggest that
there is not one bit of context in this as it meets the
ground, Mr. Quintana, or as it meets the sky. Thank
you very much.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you, Charles. Okay, Henry.
Henry Kay
Henry Kay, 6039 Collins Avenue. I cannot, I do not
propose to match the eloquence of Mr. Schaab, nor
has he left too much to be said on it. I found a little
area that we all concern ourselves with that was not
touched. And that is something that we've looked at
with every project that came before this board and
that is level of service, traffic. We speak about the
beauty, or lack of it, but we're not speaking about
the level of service that again, this kind of project
may create and inundate the area with traffic. I also
find it amazing and amusing, and I think it speaks
volumes.
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A.M. pool and P.M. pool. I sat and I listened. First
time I've ever heard it because this is the first time
that a developer in a roundabout way admitted the
impact of the shadow that they themselves would be
suffering from it and their, the people who will be
living in their project, whether it's a hotel or a
condo, will be affected by their structures. And so
without taking up more of your time, it can get
monotonous hearing the same thing, sitting there,
hearing the same thing over and over again and I
won't, I will not expose you to that. I will thank you
for please remembering these things. I realize that
this will not be resolved today. A great deal of time
was taken and I won't take up any more. Thank you
agaIn.
Saul Gross
All right, thank you Mr. Kay.
Len Robertson
Len Robertson speaking for the Miami Design
Preservation League. The Carillon is one of the fine
examples of Miami Beach 1950's resort hotel
architecture. Only a handful of buildings like this
one were ever built in Miami Beach and in North...
Pardon?
Speaker
<inaudible>
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Len Robertson
I'm sorry, the Carillon is one of the fine examples of
1950's Miami Beach resort hotel architecture. Only
a handful of these buildings were ever built. Only
two were ever built in North Beach, the other being
the Deauville. And as such the Carillon is filled and
is rich in architectural character. It's unfortunate
that this proposal chooses to erase so much of that
rich character. The porte-cochere is unforgettable.
The signage is distinctive. There's fine keystone
work along the sidewalk where the entry ramp is.
Not to speak of all the interior spaces that are being
obliterated. There's a beautiful corrugated concrete
wall along Collins Avenue above the existing
storefronts. The ballroom spaces facing the pool
area are covered in an undulating glass curtain wall.
Also, there's a lot of very fine intricate glass curtain
wall work in the tower itself which I believe is being
modified.
So the Miami Design Preservation League would
like to see more of the original Carillon being
incorporated into the new project and obviously the
condominium tower is grossly massive and
incompatible with the neighborhood and I thought
that Miami Beach had left the place where it has
been for so long that any development was good
development because clearly, I don't see how this
could be good for North Beach. Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Let's hear from Mr. North Beach.
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Donald Shockey
My name is Donald Shockey. I'm the director of
North Beach Development Corporation. Indeed
there are a few people in North Beach who are,
think that this project is a good thing for North
Beach. We have a 30 member board of directors
which includes voting representatives from
numerous homeowners' associations and civic
groups in the vicinity of the project. These groups
include the Normandy Shores Homeowners'
Association, the Normandy <inaudible>
Homeowners' Association, the Ellison Island
Homeowners' Association, the Biscayne Point
Homeowners' Association, Ayuda Unidad, among
others.
This board has unanimously endorsed the project
both in concept and design. The project will
obviously have a tremendously positive economic
impact and is viewed as indeed critical to the
economic, the future economic health of North
Beach. Economics are not your purview, I
understand, but our board also enthusiastically
endorses the design of the project. The renderings
and the model have been brought to our meetings
repeatedly. The project architects have individually
met with several of our board members to hear
specific design concerns and have made meaningful
changes to address those concerns.
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The developers have also been completely
responsive to design concerns expressed by the city
administration itself It should also be kept in mind
that this project rectifies a major aesthetic problem
that has been a terrible blight on North Beach for
many years, which is the presence of a huge,
abandoned, deteriorating structure, the former
Carillon Hotel, in the very middle of a neighborhood
that is struggling very hard to improve itself NBDC
urges you to approve this project which has
undergone very intense design scrutiny and has
passed with high marks. And we look forward to
the development of an exciting new landmark in
North Beach.
Saul Gross
Okay, just one question. Has the board met
recently? When you say that the board endorses it,
is that from when it was presented a year and a half
ago or is it, have you guys met recently?
Donald Shockey
I don't remember the exact date of the unanimous
resolution, but it comes up at every board meeting,
people want to know what's going on with the
project. We, Manny just reminded me that we re-
endorsed it in December at his request.
Saul Gross
December 97?
Donald Shockey
December 97.
Saul Gross
And you say it's unanimous and some of the
members of North Beach are the homeowners'
association?
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Donald Shockey
They are representatives from the homeowners'
associations. I'm not saying that they have formally
obtained, you know, approvals from their boards to
do this. But they are on our board as a
representative from those homeowners' associations.
Saul Gross
Okay, so they may be endorsing it personally but not
on behalf of their homeowners' associations.
Donald Shockey
Well, yes, but the idea is that that's what they're
there for, to represent the, you know, we hope that
they have taken this to their individual boards and
gotten their input.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you very much.
Donald Shockey
Sure.
Saul Gross
Okay, other comment. Minette.
Minette Benson
Yes, Minette Benson for the record, 5600 block
Collins Avenue. I would like to concur with Mr.
Schaab and other speakers who were negative about
this project which is contemplated for that space, the
6800 block of Collins. When will you find out, and I
think that you should, the number of units in the
aggregate, the number of employees and their
parking needs, the number of parking spaces, and a
traffic study which has to be approved before you
consider this a project again and to tell us the effect
of this huge project, not only on Collins Avenue in
the 60's but on Indian Creek?
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It is an absurd thing to think that this will have no
impact. You have the White Diamond nearby.
Collins Avenue is, after all, a residential and a
commercial street that serves the entire city. If you
care to at any time soon, just take a little look up
there, just drive up there between five and seven or
between four and seven in the evening and in the
morning. At the moment it's an impossible situation
and Indian Creek is always an impossible situation.
So I will agree with those who oppose this project
and ask that you take cumulative effect seriously. I
mean accumulation of bodies, of cars, of service
vehicles, of pedestrians, of everything, up and down
that strip called Collins Avenue. This is not in,
would not be in existence on its own on a desert
island. Thank you.
Saul Gross
Thank you. Any other comment from the public?
Xavier Severa
My name's Xavier Severa. I reside in the Sterling
Condominium.
Saul Gross
Lift the mike up so that you can...
Xavier Severa
I live in the Sterling, Xavier Severa. I'm also a small
business owner directly across the street from the
Sterling in the Norman Hotel. I have 30 units and
3,000 square feet of commercial space. I'm just
going to wing it. I'm not prepared here with
anything in writing. I disagree with a lot of what
these people say about the design. I think the
design's wonderful. I think it's very conducive to the
original building. I think it has a cool 50's look to it.
I like the color schemes. I think the corridors have
been well met and I think that's why it was blessed
by the prior board.
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The width of the main tower, of the condominium
tower, certainly is a concern. However, when you
take a five acre space, I mean is any of us going to
be completely pleased with something of this
magnitude when something is designed? No. But I
think this design in its concept, as a whole project is
very unique, very clean, very conducive to what the
original Carillon was all about. I don't see anything
stolen. I see a lot added. As far as the
neighborhood itself, I mean, we all know it's been in
trouble. This is a very important project, it's a vital
project to the area and I give it a thumbs up, I really
do.
Saul Gross
Douglas. . .
Douglas Duany
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
I think he's...
Xavier Severa
Okay, do I tend to benefit as a small business owner
like the Golden Sands immediately to the north?
Sure I do. But more importantly I think the
residents of the area benefit because that area is in a
state right now where something like this will and
can make a difference.
Saul Gross
Okay. Thank you very much.
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Nicolas Quintana
The question is, just right on the subject, because
we're getting several readings and I don't know the
neighborhood. I'm not entirely sure it functions as a
neighborhood. I'm not entirely sure about a bunch
of things, but in what way will, is your perception
that it will affect the residents and owners in the
area? It will lead to increased activity on the Collins
Avenue? People will walk more?
Xavier Severa
Right now the state of Col...
Nicolas Quintana
Is employment local? I'd just like you to break
down the benefits for the neighborhood.
Xavier Severa
The state of Collins Avenue... I understand what
you're saying. The state of Collins Avenue within
that particular geographic area of four or five
blocks, people don't walk. It's decrepit. This five-
acre piece of property, which desperately needs to
be developed and I think it's a wonderful design, is
one of the reasons why. It's awful looking. We
have nothing more than a Dunkin' Donuts strip mall
and a Publix. This creates a wonderful environment
where even locals can go inside and enjoy the cafes
and the restaurants and whatever else might be in
there. I understand there might be a health club and
so forth. I mean it adds a lot to the area as opposed
to what some people may think just a fiscally
beneficial monster for the owners of the hotel. I
don't think that's the case at all.
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I also think, which no one has brought up, we're
looking at a first class hotel operator. Swiss Hotel is
a major, first class, world class operator. We've got
a world class design firm, Architectonica's been
working on this. And frankly let's look at it. It
doesn't look like White Diamond. It doesn't look
like a lot of these other condominiums. It has kept a
very 50's flair to it.
And as far as the Sterling Condominium Association
goes, I know owners in there who like it and some
don't and so forth, but the Sterling, the people on
the north side which is where I live, our balconies
and our glass face the ocean which we don't look
straight at this building. The setback of the all suites
hotel is wonderful and it works very well for the
owners of the condominiums in there. Again, they're
not all going to agree. None of us are. This is a
five-acre parcel.
Carlos T ouzet
Now, okay, may I follow up with another question?
Xavier Severa
Sure.
Carlos T ouzet
The blocks<inaudible> inside format I just don't
know, you're. The blocks to the side of you are, are
what, are medium-scale apartment houses? Two
story?
Carlos T ouzet
Two-story. No, no, no, it's more. I mean it's a
variety of things happening.
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Xavier Severa
They're, they're between the, between the Deauville
and the Golden Sands, there are no condominiums
except for the Sterling. Now if you go over to
Indian Creek you primarily run into very small two-
story, two-story buildings and so forth which
frankly, I think with this, some people may say
there's going to be a shadow. But I think, I think
what it does bring to the area certainly
overcompensates for the fact that we may get a
slight shadow. I really don't see this as a
monstrosity otherwise I would voice that opinion.
Carlos T ouzet
Do people in that area access the beach? I'm getting
a little bit technical here. How do they get to the
beach?
Xavier Severa
They're getting to the beach via the street that
separates the Golden Sands and this project,
primarily.
Carlos Touzet
Okay.
Xavier Severa
And cutting through the Deauville. As far as the
beach goes right now, that entire five-acre parcel
and the beaches in front of it are a nightmare. There
are homeless sleeping on those beaches. There are,
there's criminal activity and so forth. This is a
blessing. Let's get it going. It was approved by the
prior board. It's a wonderful project. Thanks for
your time.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Any other comment from the
public?
Donald Shockey
I just wanted to say a couple of other things...
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Saul Gross
Tell us again...
Donald Shockey
...in response to that.
Saul Gross
... your name agaIn.
Donald Shockey
Donald Shockey, director of North Beach
Development Corporation. In response to the last
couple of questions about...
Saul Gross
Context.
Donald Shockey
.. .I'm not sure why it's relevant, but jobs, this is
going to, this project's going to provide an
enormous number of service level, entry level jobs
for people that have those kind of skills that live in
this immediate neighborhood. They'll be able to
walk to work. You know, it will generate
pedestrian activity in that, regard. It will also, right
now there is no pedestrian activity, especially at
nighttime, on that side of Collins Avenue. People
are afraid to walk that block. It's a hulking
abandoned building and it's going to stimulate
pedestrian activity. There's no question in that.
Saul Gross
All right, thank you.
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Donald Shockey
Also, just one other point. Somebody made a
comment about having the pool, a pool on each side.
Well, I mean even if you had a IS-story or a 20-
story building, it would still, depending on the exact
siting of the pool, make sense to have two pools. If
you have that luxury, it's not really related to me to
the height of the building.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Any other people? We really
don't have time for second comments by the, by the
speakers. I'd like to, if there are no other points to
be made, do you want to speak ma'am? Yeah. Last
speaker and then we'll open it up to board comment.
Mrs. Cruz
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
T ell us your name, please.
Mrs. Cruz
My name is Mrs. Cruz.
Saul Gross
Pull the microphone down in front of you.
Mrs. Cruz
Mrs. Cruz, I'm living in the 6767 Collins, Sterling.
Saul Gross
Uh huh.
Mrs. Cruz
And I want to ask to this gentleman that speak a few
minutes ago, he is an owner of the Sterling or is a
tenant?
Xavier Severa
I'm a tenant.
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Saul Gross
He's a tenant.
Mrs. Cruz
As a tenant he cannot speak for us.
Saul Gross
Well, anyone can speak, yeah.
Mrs. Cruz
Well, but it's different.
Saul Gross
You're an owner at the Sterling?
Mrs. Cruz
I am owner in the Sterling and this building is going
to block all our view, okay? And I...
Saul Gross
Why do you say it's going to block all of your view?
Which, where, which side of the building are you
on?
Mrs. Cruz
I am in the west side.
Saul Gross
You need to just speak into the microphone. You're
on the west side? So how is the building going to
block your view?
Mrs. Cruz
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
You need to speak into the mike.
Mrs. Cruz
My floor is low so the view of the beach is going to
be blocked.
Saul Gross
Mrs. Cruz
Saul Gross
Mrs. Cruz
Saul Gross
Mrs. Cruz
Saul Gross
Mrs. Cruz
Saul Gross
Mrs. Cruz
Saul Gross
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If you're on the west side, how do you have a view
of the beach?
Close to the building that they are...
Db huh.
... the suite, the suite that they are going to build.
Okay.
And another thing...
But, would you like to see no building there? Is
that. . .
Yes.
Okay, you're not going to see no building. They're
going to build something.
I know.
Whatever they build is...
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Mrs. Cruz
But another thing that they are building is the
kitchen and the restaurant in that side to that is
going to make noise and they're going to have
deliverers over there and I know those things are
going to bother. And another thing that the traffic
crossing this Collins from 69th, a lot of people are
crossing this street to the beach because it's the only
way to get to the beach and it's going to be very,
very hard.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you very much. Okay, at this time we'd
like to take board comment. Nick, you have some
thoughts on this?
Nicolas Quintana
Do I have to start always?
Saul Gross
Well, you're the urbanist and you weren't here the
last time.
Nicolas Quintana
Yeah, let me, I would like to focus on what Miami
Beach is all about because I think that's very, very
important. Miami Beach to me is the place, in other
words the atmosphere, the scale of the place, which
makes the atmosphere, and the context, in other
words persons moving around surrounded by
buildings, by streets, by beaches, etc.
The problem of scale is what really made Ocean
Drive highly successful. If you eliminate those
buildings and substitute it by buildings of big sizes
like this, the place simply disappears and the
economic situation of the city goes down the drain.
That's the big danger of mega-structures in a place
that is built around a limited size and a limited scale.
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I am, I respect too much the architects in
Architectonica, the owners and the architects
working with them, to go against the design because
I think that's their responsibility. But it is my
responsibility to make everybody aware that scales
of this type could actually destroy the atmosphere
that has already started in Miami Beach. Remember
what Miami Beach was before this whole thing
started. So you could be in danger of going back
again. That's extremely dangerous.
So in terms of the aesthetics of the project, where I
actually locate the problem is precisely on the effect
it can create on the overall, on the macro-sphere and
the macro-ambience of the city like a total unity.
And that's the reason why I won't be able to vote in
favor of this project.
Saul Gross
Well, what, tell me specifically what would you like
to see in terms of the scale?
Nicolas Quintana
I would like to see a reduced scale in the building.
That area towards the north with the big tower there
sort of breaks, to me the, completely, the scale of
the City of Miami Beach. I would like to see maybe
the orientation very similar to the Carillon building
as a continuance of that type of avenues or
<inaudible> of view that you open to the beach.
Many of those things, I mean, that can be done with
a project of this type, you know. And it can be
done. I am sure that anybody can actually dedicate
himself to do it.
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I want, I have heard many things about we need this
to save the city. Let me tell you, you can get it and
lose the city. So you have to be very careful with
this. I mean, I don't want to go into the details of
the building because in a way, I mean, the architects
are very highly qualified. I don't have any doubts in
their ability. But I am talking now as an urbanist.
I'm talking from the point of view of Miami Beach
itself and the enormous economic value that scale
and context have in the whole atmosphere of Miami
Beach.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Carlos.
Carlos Touzet
I just want to address a couple of things that Nicolas
brought up and I have to admit I almost always
agree with Nicolas. My disagreement comes in that
this is a very different part of Miami Beach and
unfortunately if you look across the street, and even
down the street, this area has none of that character.
This is barely a pedestrian area. This is barely a city.
We1ve got the huge Publix building that has blank
fac;ades on the street. You have something like a
five-story building with an interior courtyard that's
not even a courtyard. I mean that building
completely disavows any knowledge of a sidewalk.
Then you have the Dunkin' Donuts strip mall which
is horrible. That the board allowed that to go up at
any point, I mean is criminal.
But you look up and down, you look at the Sterling.
Somebody alluded to the Sterling as being much
more sensitive to the Carillon and, I mean, I hate to
say it but just look at both buildings.
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Even though I may have some problems with the
scale of this new building, but you can see allusions
to the language and the style of the original building,
even though this has a thyroid problem, (Laughter)
it still has, no, it still makes a very definite stylistic
intention to relate to the building that's there. The
Sterling does not and the rest of the block is already
tainted. The rest of that neighborhood has no street
life.
This building, considering that you have a five-acre
site, addresses the needs of that site very well. If
there are issues that it needs to address maybe a little
bit more carefully, they are the urban issues that
exist at the sidewalk and I think we would all
welcome that, but you also have to be awake to the
situation that there is no sidewalk. I mean, how
many of you have walked that sidewalk, really, and
if you have walked it, is there a place to go right
now? There isn't. I mean, we're all lying to
ourselves if we think that this is the same as South
Beach. It's not.
This is already a canyon and people mention
buildings being perpendicular to the ocean. Well,
yes, that would be preferable. But come on the
Maison Grande, you know, Mr. Kay you come up
here all the time. But the Maison Grande is a
terrible offender. I mean, that is a huge block
building. And it casts shadow on its own pool.
That's just the nature of having a pool on the east
side because it doesn't cast a shadow on its pool?
Henry Kay
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Okay, Henry, he's not asking...
Carlos T ouzet
Okay, well, but the point is, okay.
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Henry Kay
<inaudible>
Carlos T ouzet
Okay.
- Saul Gross
Okay.
Carlos T ouzet
Let's take that as a rhetorical statement.
Nicolas Quintana
Carlos, let me just...
Carlos T ouzet
Nicolas, yeah.
Nicolas Quintana
... one small point.
Carlos T ouzet
Yeah.
Nicolas Quintana
When I talked about scale, I'm not talking about
height, I'm talking about scale. In other words,
when you go to Ocean Drive, the scale is based on a
certain height. But here, if you see this photograph,
you're going to see that it's a different scale. But
that is a super scale which is totally different. I
mean that upped the ante so much that it goes out of
scale.
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Carlos T ouzet
I agree, but you'd have to think of the scale as being
perceived from the pedestrian point of view and the
people in the car. When the scale becomes this large
and is setback so far from the sidewalk, it is no
longer perceivable except on a citywide scale. This
will affect the skyline, but I don't believe that it will
actually affect the pedestrian. It really won't unless
you're looking down the street and...
Arthur Marcus
Well, what about the beach. What about the people
who live three blocks west of this? They're going to
be in perpetual shadow.
Carlos T ouzet
Arthur, yeah, but walk a couple of blocks down the
street and you'll have the same issue.
Saul Gross
What do you mean a couple of blocks down the
street?
Carlos Touzet
Walking up the street you will see that most of those
buildings continue to cast a shadow on the beach.
This is huge, there's no question. Probably in the
winter the shadow will reach Bimini, but you know
that's true of a lot of other buildings on that strip.
Saul Gross
Right.
Carlos Touzet
My point is that we're not saving that neighborhood
by not allowing the building to go up. It's just an
appropriate structure for the scale of the
development.
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Saul Gross
You know, I, you know 71st Street is not that far
away, which is in some ways the heart of North
Beach, or developing North Beach. I don't think
this is so far away that we have to write it off and
that we couldn't incorporate it into what's becoming
an urban fabric or what we all hope will be an urban
fabric up on 71 st Street.
Carlos Touzet
But don't you have a lot of other tall towers between
71 st and this?
Saul Gross
I think that this one's certainly larger than the other
ones, there's no question about that. But yeah, from
the contextual photos we've been presented the
dominant motif is a 18-story tower. So there're
towers but this is bigger. Douglas, did you want
to...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'd like to maybe participate, if you don't mind, can I
speak as...
Saul Gross
Okay, yeah, sure, absolutely. Right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I know that for many of you this is the first time
you've seen this and maybe it is time that I tell you
how we reached some of these conclusions because
we also tried to be sensitive and we also tried to
respond to some of these issues. And except that
we spent many months doing it and maybe I can
shed light into some of the reasons why the buildings
are positioned where they are and how they end up
being.
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Let me begin first by explaining the first given of this
and that is that right in the middle of the 750 feet of
frontage we have an existing building that we've
chosen to preserve. That if we had not preserved it
we probably could have put easily three 40-story
towers, by code, and that perpendicular to the
water, lined up three 40-story towers which is in,
but we have in the middle a smaller 17 -story building
that is very narrow, as the old-fashioned hotels with
one deeper room and one shallower room, the
asymmetrical corridor, that is a narrow building.
And it splits the site in half and we then looked at
how to reorganize the permitted floor area ratio.
And may I point out for the, that developers like our
client buy these properties based on what they can
build. There's a value and an investment that they
make and in this capitalist world that we live in we
have to respect the rights of those who make that
investment and we as architects see it that way. And
then following those rules, we then distributed this
massing and we went first to the south of this
building.
And I want you always to remember, we're
preserving this building in the middle and Mr.
Quintana, that is really what starts the whole
evolution of that design, the preservation that goes
end to end from the bulkhead line to the setback line
on Collins Avenue. And that is the divider. That is
a real wall that exists on the site.
And then we went to the south and we tried to open
up the south and relate to what is really the only
building that is our neighbor, because to the north
we really have a street in between us and the next
door neighbor, but to the south we have the Sterling
building. And then we go and we design a lower
scale building. We recess it as much as possible to
Collins to open up the views from the Sterling.
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If you'll visit the Sterling you will notice that if you
see it from the west you see no glass. It's a solid
building with a series of diagonals and all the
windows are forty-five degrees looking out to the
waterfront in a diagonal direction. And if you look
at your context photographs you will see that in fact,
we calculated very carefully that those diagonal
views from those rooms would be preserved. And
by moving that tower to the back and that tower is
very much in the scale of the buildings in the
neighborhood.
Then we're left with a balance of that square footage
to locate on the north side. And, in fact, we, instead
of doing a perpendicular two buildings that parallel
coming all the way to the edge of the property, we
did one single building in the parallel and we set it
back substantially from the street. More than the
Sterling is set back, more than the Carillon, more
than the all suites building. We pulled it way back
from the street and accommodating that pull back,
knowing that we needed to do a fairly large building
to accommodate the FAR, we put it in that parallel
position. We thought it was the responsible thing to
do. It cast the least amount of shadow to our
partner to the north. If we would have, we could
have put a building right against the street.
We have a street there between us and the neighbor
to the north, and that would have cast a much bigger
shadow, and the perpendicular direction casts the
least amount of shadow to the neighbor to the north
because only the short end of the building is showing
in that direction.
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I also want to make some other clarifications from
some of the people who oppose this project. The
space north of the hotel, which was presented as
some kind of walkway that would be surrounded by
these buildings is the service yard. It's part of our
property. It's not a street. That is the service yard
and to expect retail and activity in that street is
unnecessary and illogical. That is the service yard
that is an internal yard of the building. But however,
I do want to point out because Mr. Duany asked
the...
... proposing to widen the street, landscape it, put
sidewalks on it and make it a, make it a pleasant
pathway from Collins Avenue out to the beach.
That becomes our residential street. That becomes
the access to our residential tower and that allows us
to bring the retail along Collins Avenue.
And the last item is the item that was made reference
with respect to the neighborhood, because, yes, we
do not write off this neighborhood. We think that
maybe this building in fact can become the catalyst
that will activate this neighborhood. This building
will have 500 jobs when it's completed, will have
1200 jobs during construction and it will, and will
bring residents and visitors and tourists into this
neighborhood.
Currently, across the street, the so-called context is
the wall of a Publix and a huge un-landscaped
parking lot that is what we have to see. And
adjacent to that is a strip shopping center. So what I
do find hard to believe is to think that this building
will not improve such a neighborhood because
currently that is all there is.
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And yet, we are not writing it off We're having an
arcade at the base of our podium. We're putting
shops along the full length that do not have today a
counterpart on the other side of the street. The
podium is the height of development further south of
this neighborhood and hopefully somebody, once
this building happens, and when they see that there's
enough business and there're people that will come
to consume what merchants could sell, maybe this
neighborhood will be transformed.
And instead of having this stretch of dead area, this
neighborhood hopefully will respond and this board
will demand of whoever develops that parcel across
the street to also have an arcade, not to have an
exposed parking lot, not have solid walls on the
street, like half a block of Pub Ii x that we have, and
maybe we'll also have an arcade that becomes the
other half of the street.
Saul Gross
Okay. <inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And we could have possibly a nice neighborhood in
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Bernardo...
Nicolas Quintana
Bernardo, let me say...
Saul Gross
Hold on, wait, let's...
Nicolas Quintana
I agree with you. The only problem is that you
didn't describe what happened after you went...
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
All right.
Nicolas Quintana
... to the north past the Carillon.
Saul Gross
He said that he had to stick whatever FAR was left
on...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
The rest of the FAR because we have an existing
building. You know there was a choice. We could
have just gone ahead and said demolish the Carillon,
redistribute the FAR and, yes, we probably can do
three 40-story buildings.
Saul Gross
But Bernardo, hold, hold on, sh. Why couldn't you
have put more of the FARon the building to the
south? I mean, I know this came up at our last
meeting. We asked you why you couldn't put more
of the mass on the building to the south of the
Carillon and you said because that's all the hotel
rooms that we need and the program is for more
condominium units and that's what we need to put
on the north side.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, there are several factors. First of all the lobby,
the existing lobby area of the Carillon Hotel faces
south. If we build more units on the south of this
building we would have to increase, if we put
residential units on the south of this building,
because the number of hotel rooms is all we can
justify from the market studies and I don't think
people can be forced to do a 1200 room hotel if
there's no demand for that. And our client is
seeking, this is the largest hotel size he can have. If
we wanted to have residential units on the south
side, we have, and go taller, we would have to
increase the parking podium. If we increase the
parking podium, we build that podium in front of the
windows of the lobby and of the rooms of the
existing Carillon Hotel. Then why preserve it? If
I'm going to have, I'm going to eliminate six levels
out of seventeen, I'm only left with ten levels.
Saul Gross
Okay, you talk too fast for the stenographer.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Ob, I'm sorry, too fast? (Laughter) I'm sorry.
(Laughter)
Saul Gross
Could you repeat that?
Speaker
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well...
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Saul Gross
All right, I, you know you're saying that the
programmatic needs and the economics are to a
large extent, driving the design. And, you know,
that may be persuasive to your client, you know,
you sat on this board at one time, that's not
necessarily persuasive from a Design...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'm not talking economics now.
Saul Gross
Well, you are.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'm talking aesthetics.
Saul Gross
No, but you are.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Because if you put five levels of garage attached to
this building, you might as well not keep the Carillon
Hotel. I mean, what, I'm left with 12 levels of the
hotel. I mean, it would be illogical to build on the
south side of this hotel where the existing lobby and
the existing arrival of the hotel is, to build its, a
garage to accommodate more apartments on the
south side.
Saul Gross
No...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, we could have done a, you say a 30-story
building on the south side, but where are the cars?
They have to be somewhat close to those, to those
apartments. I cannot have a mile away, you know,
500 feet away on the other side and traverse a hotel
to get to your car. The hotel is a wall that goes end
to end...
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Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
.. . from bulkhead to property line.
Saul Gross
Okay. Peter, you had a comment.
Peter Blitstein
Yeah, I think, I grew up here and I watched in the
50's and 60's as all the most beautiful residences you
could imagine were torn down to build Collins
Avenue and that was, mid-Collins I should say, all
the way when the Roney was tom down. And they
built these, buildings would stretch end to end, no
view, no anything and that was sort of the
economics of those times pushed that. Now we're in
a different time, which is Mr. Quintana was alluding
to, where now we're forced to build these very huge
buildings. Obviously the land cost and the pressures
and all that.
And there is definitely a feeling that we are trying to
resist these huge buildings because every week all
we, every time we're here, enormous buildings come
over before us and most of them are pretty bad. I'm
not going to get into the specifics, only to say that I
think that the way this is handled is really quite
fantastic considering that he could have done it a lot
of different ways and he chose to break up the
masses. And as long as he's, in my opinion, I don't
think that the scale should be the issue of our
comments of this building.
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I don't think that the verticality should be the issue,
because if he is allowed to build this by Zoning,
which I believe he is, that's what we've been told,
then I think he could have done it like he said. He
could have built three big buildings. He could have
done it like the South Pointe buildings, three
triangles, and blocked the view all the way through.
But in a way, if you look at his, at how he deals with
the street, it's how these buildings in some extent
were approached in the 50's and 60's.
There's a whimsical attitude about the street and
you're right, you cannot walk on that street. I drive
that street every Sunday. You can barely drive on
that street because it's so offensive. What he is
doing here is he is giving you a real sense of
elegance. He's restoring the existing building. He's
giving you some whimsy on the fayade. He's giving
you back the type of, at least a piece, a minimal
piece, of what the City of Miami Beach was when I
was a kid.
When those buildings were built when I was a kid
they were complaining that there was a scale that
was too big. The Fontainebleu was the biggest
building, you know, at its time and on and on and
on. It's a natural progression. Whether we want it
or not, these large buildings are coming unless
there's a total moratorium.
And for all the big buildings that we've seen this is,
in my opinion, one of the most skillfully detailed
because of the way he's broken the masses. And I
absolutely don't object to it being parallel to the
beach because he has really given the people in the
Sterling more than, if you look at the Westin that
preceded him, he's given the Sterling a lot more than
the Westin that preceded this project.
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So I really feel, just as you talked about Bernardo .
before, that this is a very sensitive solution, that he is
relating to all the issues around and that if this
project goes ahead it will definitely be the catalyst
for this neighborhood and it desperately needs
something.
. Saul Gross
Okay, thank you Peter. Arthur.
Arthur Marcus
<inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'd like to point out in that respect that even though
we have a very...
Saul Gross
Wait, Bernardo, Bernardo, hold on. You had plenty
of chance to speak. Give Arthur a chance to speak.
Arthur Marcus
I'd like to disagree on, substantially with what my
previous colleague just said. I do agree that this is a
handsome building and I was on the board the first
time and I voted for it. And since that, a year and a
half has passed and I think the city and its residents
are in a much different place than we were at a year
and a half ago. And when I look at this building
now I really do have to bear the responsibility I have
as a member, as a citizen of this city, one who works
and lives here, and wonder how this will live with us
for 40, 50, 60 years to come.
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I think it's too brutal an intrusion on the cityscape
right now. I can't, I don't have a specific suggestion
to you as to how to site the building on the lot. I
think all of us, I think many of us would like to see
the Carillon Hotel stay there. I mean, it is a part of
Miami Beach's history and certainly nobody would
suggest that it go away and we certainly wouldn't
want to see three towers marching down the site.
But I find, I do find it hard to believe that this is the
only solution to this program. Now, perhaps as
some of the other members of the board have said,
perhaps there is too much FAR, there is too much
program that you've been required as an architect to
program in here. We can't, we as a board can't
address that, but we can say that there's too much
bulk, there's too much mass on the site, which I do
believe, I do believe...
Saul Gross
You mean on the north face of the site.
Arthur Marcus
On the north part of the site. I would like to see the
bulk and the mass of the building program
redistributed somehow so that it's more evenly
distributed. I mean, I'm not adverse to towers, and I
think that towers can be quite handsome. I do
remember your original arguments as to how you
tied contexturally the building of this new tower in
with the Carillon and I do follow that, I follow that
argument. But I just, I don't follow, I have a real
concern with the orientation of the building right
now. And I don't know, maybe it needs to be on an
angle. Maybe it needs to be skewed somehow. But
somehow to break up that massive wall that will be
the legacy that this project leaves.
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I think any project that's built on this site will
certainly have a major impact on the city and
certainly be a generator of hopefully good economic
times for North Beach. But I think we also, as a
board, have a responsibility to look at this from a
citywide basis and the kind of mandate that the
citizens have really set in the last year and a half
Saul Gross
Okay.
Arthur Marcus
Thus, I can't vote for this project today.
Saul Gross
All right, Don.
Don Worth
I have, I have three comments. First, after spending
some time in North Beach I can appreciate how
people want some things to happen there because it's
a great site and something like this could really be a
catalyst. My concerns are as follows. One, the
parallelness of the large building to the beach. It's
one thing to have mass. It's another thing to have
height. And it's another thing to have being parallel
to the beach. But you combine them all together
and you create a statement that unfortunately many
residents have seen with the Floridian and Sunset
Harbor. So I'm not just concerned with how it
appears from Collins Avenue, but really from a
couple of miles away. And sort of getting back to
Nicolas' comment, psychologically that affects urban
context, how we perceive our community. Ifwe're a
couple of miles away and we see the Floridian or
whatever large building looming out of the sunset
and blurring our sight lines, it, to me it
psychologically means something.
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A second concern I have is we started the
conversation at the, I don't know how many hours
ago on this, about the fact that this was approved a
year ago and the approval has expired and ordinarily
it would have to be resubmitted under new zoning
but that's not the case because there was a variance
at play. I don't understand all of it. I heard a lot of
stuffback and forth. All I can say is I don't
understand it.
And the third issue that I'd just like to comment on,
and I know we're not necessarily supposed to have
purview over it, is the issue of traffic. And I do it
only, even with the understanding that Dean is
construing this, our authority narrowly, and that may
or may not be questioned at a later date,
nevertheless.. .
Saul Gross
Don, just speak into the mike.
Don Worth
Nevertheless, number 14, we do have to look at the
comprehensive plan. The issues I have, and I'm not,
and this is just a global issue that we have with every
project, and the community has. This particular
project, like every project, is out of concurrency.
There's a Level F on Harding Avenue right now.
The irony is that the, what will happen is all of the
sites in city, there will be some mitigation plan
approved, or reviewed.
My problem, by the way Tom, with all the mitigation
plans that I've seen is that nothing has been, nothing
has addressed the pedestrian element of mitigation,
which is important. But, nevertheless, there will be
a mitigation plan approved if only because the city
has never done anything to address traffic and there
are things that can be done. Whether it's
singulization, so forth and so on.
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Unfortunately, the way concurrency appears to be
set up, what will happen is there has then a finite
amount of capacity we have to use up. It comes on
a first serve, first time basis and unfortunately, the
trophy properties, like this one, will absorb all of the
capacity. And in three or four years we're going to
have the very difficult choice of having all of this
in:fillland that we would like to develop and the
owners would like to develop in a responsible way.
We have the dilemma. If we let them develop it, we
exceed our levels of concurrency as defined by the
comprehensive plan. It's a Pandora's Box. We can't
resolve it here.
Saul Gross
I don't think we have that much vacant land in the
interior that that's an issue.
Don Worth
What? Well, maybe it's not, ifit's not vacant, it's, it's
buildings that are, that are going to get a higher
grade of re-use. I noticed, for example, in the traffic
engineering study here, the traffic engineer
suggested that the Caril... all of the traffic...
Saul Gross
The renovated Carillon's not included.
Don Worth
Yeah, that' that's no included. So you have all of
those games to play with that you have to watch out
for. But in a certain sense I agree with them
because I'd like to look at all of the buildings and all
of the higher use that we're going to receive and
make reservations for that. But we can't do that,
so...
Saul Gross
Well, that's not the way the process is done. It's first
come, first serve.
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Don Worth
That's right and that's why it gets, but then that puts
us out of compliance with the comprehensive plan
because we've, the citizens have mandated this
concurrency stuff And unfortunately, what we have
is we have this hot potato that first went to the
commission, then it stayed with us for a meeting,
now it's at Land Adjustment or whatever the board...
Saul Gross
Zoning Board, yeah.
Don Worth
Where I'm sure they'll be thrilled with it. But the
concern is it's going to be going back and forth and
stuff is not going to be decided until the last minute
and we're going to end up being out of compliance
with our comprehensive plan.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Don Worth
So...
Saul Gross
Well, we've got three that are vocally against.
Douglas. . .
Speaker
<inaudible> I'd like to address <inaudible>
Saul Gross
<inaudible> wait, I just want to get a sense.
Douglas, do you have a take on this, or...
Douglas Duany
<inaudible> I have a bunch of confusing takes, you
know? It is mega-structural. It kind of..
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Saul Gross
It is what?
Douglas Duany
Mega-structural.
Saul Gross
All right.
Douglas Duany
It's a huge project and in a way I think it's a bad
precedent. On the other hand, especially if you go
down to the eye level thing, it is incredibly skilled.
I'm sort oflike astonished and enjoying it. It's
urban, which is very important if there's going to be
hope for the neighborhood. And on that relationship
I'd like the staff to know that there is a pavilion that
may privatize that road access and that if anything,
in this sort of neighborhood feeling that I'm getting
making a nicer retail edge into the street would
possibly, if there is going to be the possibility of a
catalyst for this neighborhood, I would pay a lot of
attention to that.
Saul Gross
Which street are you talking about, Douglas?
Douglas Duany
The street that goes, the access street.
Saul Gross
The beach access?
Douglas Duany
Yeah.
Saul Gross
To put retail on that street?
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Douglas Duany
Well, turn the corner, but you know, it can, yeah,
yeah. Just detail it as a street and get the pavilion
out. I'm not entirely sure what the pavilion is doing
and I'm a little bit worried about the new curves,
which is the very latest sort of landscape addition.
You have a, you have a curving step system that's
not in this plan that just appeared. I don't know if
you're on top of the details, Bernardo, but...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Bernardo, take the traveling mike, please.
Douglas Duany
See, if it is going to help at all the neighborhood,
these things become very important.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
You're asking regarding the additional arcade? It
doesn't appear in the 3D drawings because they're
prior to that.
Douglas Duany
Right, but there's a, there's a curving step system in
one of the things that you presented.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes.
Douglas Duany
Is that new? It's not on the...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
It's new. It's part of the, what was part ofthe
recommendations of the previous hearing to address
the scale here with, in front of the retail.
Douglas Duany
Okay, and then you rise up <inaudible>
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible> rise to the flood level, yes.
Douglas Duany
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We need to rise here to be at flood elevation.
Douglas Duany
And what's the pavilion on the street, at the end of
the entrance?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Here, it's just a gateway pavilion. It is an open
gazebo that one walks through and under to reach
out to the beach. This is a new walkway to the
beach that we are proposing.
Douglas Duany
Why did you put a pavilion there? I mean,
considering how nicely <inaudible> urban
<inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible>
Douglas Duany
I don't mean to put you in an awkward position.
Saul Gross
It's a simple issue.
Speaker
<inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
So he's asking why we're relocating it. Yeah, that's
<inaudible> we would not put it. We're relocating a
pavilion. ..
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Douglas Duany
To there.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes.
Douglas Duany
And the coastal construction line is around there,
right?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, right here. Right here, no, this is the set back
line ofthe city. The coastal control line is right here.
It's right here.
Douglas Duany
Having done a fair amount considering, you know,
your parking requirement for the neighborhood,
which you have done...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah.
Douglas Duany
I would just not do that.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Not provide this.
Douglas Duany
Not provide that, no. It gives a great sort of control
part. It privatizes that road quite a bit. You know,
especially after you go through the front car court
entrance.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, it is not part of our project. It's part of the city
improvements.
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Douglas Duany
Oh, oh, the city's doing that.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right.
Douglas Duany
Oh, great.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah. It's a...
Douglas Duany
Our friend.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah. It's part of the public, public improvements of
this street. This street currently is extremely narrow.
Douglas Duany
Oh, I, no, I thought it was some mysterious hotel
reason that...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I think I failed to point out something here which is
revealing that I didn't explain. The property line is in
the middle of the street and we are expa... and the
current street is off to that side and it's extremely
narrow and we are widening that street so that it
becomes more usable, putting sidewalks on either
side of the street and landscaping and putting pavers
and providing this access walkway to the boardwalk.
All of this is new improvements that will occur
including, essentially, us giving up a piece of our
property in order to be able to widen that street
which then relocates the curb of the comer and
matches the opposite side of the street, which
currently are not. So, now finally these two streets
will be aligning and there's a pavilion here that is
part of the sort of public improvements <inaudible>.
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Saul Gross
<inaudible> let's deal with the basic issue, okay,
because, you know...
Douglas Duany
No, yeah, yeah. No, no, the basic issue is will it help
the neighborhood.
Saul Gross
Well, the basic issue is, you know, it's a mega-
structure, okay.
Douglas Duany
Yeah.
Saul Gross
And everybody agrees it's a mega structure. The
question is, do we like that? Do we want to live
with that or don't we? That's, that's our threshold
question.
Douglas Duany
It's, it's very, okay, my feeling is...
Saul Gross
Let me just, I just want to...
Douglas Duany
Okay, could I just make one comment?
Saul Gross
Okay, go ahead.
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Douglas Duany
Because actually it hasn't been mentioned for awhile.
It's very skillfully done in relationship to the street.
What I do find really disturbing, and this is sort of an
emotional landscape reaction, is not so much the
urban impact of the shadow because I've lived in
marginal neighborhoods with huge condos and not
seen them be helped by them. Is the sheer
devastation of that shadow on that sand. And that
really has me all emotional, to be honest.
Saul Gross
Really, it's interesting that you say that because my
take on this, and I was on the board that approved
this before also and the Green Diamond and Blue
Diamond had not been built at that time. I find
those buildings harder to deal with when I drive
south on what is it, on, not Indian Creek, La Gorce,
on La Gorce, as I drive south on La Gorce in the
middle of the residential neighborhood and I see
those towers looming over the residential
neighborhood.
And you know, I've always in the past been very
sensitive to the program that the developer has and,
you know, the south building is the hotel, the north
building is the condominium, they don't want more
hotel, they can't put more of the mass on the south
side. And I think the design's very skillful. I think
it's a beautiful design, if all I was looking at was the
north building. But, you know, growing out of the
Westin experience, and this is one large project, I
just feel that there's too much mass on the north site,
unwarrantedly so.
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I mean, it's being compelled by your program and
maybe I'm less sympathetic to that program need as
I've learned to see what the consequences are of the
Blue Diamond and the Green Diamond and how
they loom over the neighborhood. And if that was
your only choice and you had that FAR and you
bought it and you owned it, then I'd say, you know,
go for it because I don't have a better way to tell you
to do it and I think that, you know, as a developer I
think you should be able to build what, you know,
what FAR you have and how many square feet you
have.
But in this particular case I think you have the ability
to redistribute the mass in a way that's going to
impact the neighborhood less. And you're saying I
don't want to do that because it's, my program is
different and at this point I'm less sympathetic to
that argument than I used to be. And so I have a
harder time with it because, it's beautiful, but it's
beautiful in isolation and when I see what the
ramifications are and I know there are alternatives,
I'd rather see the alternatives more explored.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But it's...
Saul Gross
One second, no...
John Schubin
This'll take fifteen...
Saul Gross
No, John, I want to hear from Bernardo because 1...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, I'm listening to what you're saying and I was
trying to understand what, are you referring that...
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Saul Gross
I'm referring...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... you would find it more sympathetic to the
neighborhood if we reorganized the north tower and
made it less height...
Saul Gross
Yeah.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... within itself, or to relocate square footage to the
south?
Saul Gross
<inaudible> to relocate square footage to the south,
yeah. That's, that's what, I mean it feels awkward in
looking at it because there's so much of the mass is
located on the northern piece rather than having
some of it distributed to the south and I know that
you, there are programmatic problems with that, but
from a Design point of view, that's not our issue. I
mean, and I used to be more sympathetic to that, I
have to say, but having lived with the result of it and
seeing what it does to the neighborhood and to the
surrounding residential neighborhood, I'm becoming
less sympathetic to it.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
You're making more reference to the height and the
massing than the orientation of the buildings,
correct?
Saul Gross
Yeah, mm hm.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Because, in fact, we have a very big wide window to
the water over the low rise portion of the hotel
where.. .
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Saul Gross
I know and I think...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... which is more than normal...
Saul Gross
I think...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
.. . for Miami Beach. I mean that's more than any,
than most developers in Miami Beach have but it's
compensated then with, it compensates the parallel
building. But you're making reference more to the
height, correct, than the orientation?
Saul Gross
I'm thinking that if you took off the, if you left your
L-shape of the green building on the north side, took
off the red piece and took off the green tower and
you were left with that L so that there was a view
corridor there and some of the massing was moved,
you know, ideally from a composition point of view
it'd be wonderful if you didn't have to redistribute
the mass, but understand you do. I mean, you have
your FAR rights, but I would sooner see that
redistributed over onto the southern piece.
I mean, I'd rather see you lose the Carillon, frankly,
if that helped solve that problem than to live with the
loomingness of the piece that's on the north. I don't
think that saving the, I don't think you're restoring
the Carillon as Randall pointed out in any means.
And so to me, again, it's probably an economic thing
that it's cheaper to save the Carillon, which I
understand, but I would rather lose that and be able
to redistribute the mass than keep the Carillon there
if you're just keeping if for what you say you're
accomplishing by leaving the Carillon. So...
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I see. Well, we have studied the possibility of the
lowering of the north tower but within the context
of it's permitted FAR.
Saul Gross
Of the north piece.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, internally. Not redistributing the square
footage over to the south side simply because of the
size of the hotel. You know...
Saul Gross
Right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
It becomes a...
Saul Gross
It's too much hotel. You're saying, in other words,
to make the north building shorter and squatter. I
mean I hate to say that, but 1...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, you know, I would still try to make it
interesting, you know,...
Saul Gross
Right, I'm sure...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
...and in right proportion...
Saul Gross
...capable hands. Right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
...to that extent. But, yes I guess in common
language, yes.
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Saul Gross
All right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
It would mean having to redistribute some of the
high point of the building into let's say the L-shape
portion and increase the coral colored portion.
Saul Gross
Now the other thing is...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And reorganize the massing of the building. It is...
Saul Gross
Well, we have to look at that, Bernardo...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But, you know, we were pretty convinced of what
we were doing if you see those 3D views from the
street how the buildings almost look like separated,
almost like two buildings, and how they break up
<inaudible> at a couple of points, you knOw.
Saul Gross
I mean we'd have to look, we'd have to look at that
redistribution. I don't believe, you know, you've got
wonderful legal counsel, but I don't believe that
you're going to win that argument that you don't
have to comply with the height limit. I just can't
believe that you can accomplish, by submitting a
new application, the same application, what you
couldn't accomplish by getting an extension. I just
don't believe that was the legislative intent and it's a
legal issue. And I'm just, you can't get a one year
extension of the project because of what the, you
know, what the rules are so I don't see how you
could get, put yourself in the same place by
submitting the same application as a new
application. It just makes no sense to me that you'd
be allowed to do that. But, the lawyers will decide
that.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Maybe a lawyer <inaudible>
Saul Gross
Speaking of a lawyer, yeah.
Speaker
This'll take fifteen...
Speaker
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Because I want to wrap it up and see if we...
Speaker
Fifteen seconds.
Saul Gross
Yeah.
Speaker
I'm reminded that we do not want to waive the
argument, although it's not within your jurisdiction,
that to the extent that this relies on bonuses and is
within the scope of the charter amendment, we
would maintain that it's also subject to the
referendum requirement.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Carlos T ouzet
So...
Saul Gross
Carlos.
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Carlos T ouzet
I think the whole board feels that the north building
may be over-scaled and even though the volume, I
think, in terms of the silhouette and the skyline
works very well.
Saul Gross
Right.
Carlos T ouzet
Part of that silhouette may have to be sacrificed a
little bit and the height brought down to, really to
appease the neighborhood.
Saul Gross
That's the way I feel.
Carlos T ouzet
But, just briefly...
Saul Gross
Well, it's not that... Yeah. I mean, appease is the
wrong word. I mean, to be in scale.
Carlos Touzet
That's true. I do want to say that Randall brought
up some interesting points and I just want to touch
them very briefly. Those are that he didn't mention
the eyebrow that is right on Collins Avenue which is
lost to some extent now by introducing the Swiss
Hotel logo on top of it and that is a minor thing. I
wish Randall were here, but I think that's one of the
critical, kind of signature details of that building.
Also, that extruded round volume is the only volume
on the whole project that has that curve and I think
it doesn't work with anything else on the project. It
takes away from the original building and if you're
saving the building and alluding to it I think it's
important.
Saul Gross
Okay, Lucia.
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Lucia Dougherty
In response to that question about what happens to
our variances, remember, the variances are tied to
specific plans. So, those variances may have to be
sought and received again if we modify it too
significantly or too in, if it's too significant a change.
Saul Gross
Well, tell us...
Lucia Dougherty
That's really going to be...
Saul Gross
Yeah.
Lucia Dougherty
...whether the planning director believes it's
something that he would have approved
administratively anyway.
Saul Gross
Well, tell us, what's the difference in the FAR
between, well this application that you've submitted
is, beats the, you know, gets zoning in progress,
right?
Lucia Dougherty
That's correct.
Saul Gross
And, your, this is a four and a halfF AR under the
old code and a three and a half under the new code?
Lucia Dougherty
Under the entire site, correct.
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Saul Gross
Under the entire site. Okay, well, I mean the
ramifications are obviously very significant. I mean
you're talking about...
Lucia Dougherty
You have a new application. That's going to be
really up to the Planning Department to determine
whether it's a new application.
Saul Gross
You're talking about, how big is the site? It's five
acres? So it's two, you're talking about 200,000 feet
ofF AR. Huh?
Speaker
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Six acres, so you're talking about two hundred and
forty thousand feet ofF AR. Okay. Does somebody
want to...
Arthur Marcus
I'd like to make a motion to,
Saul Gross
...make a motion?
Arthur Marcus
I would like to make a motion to deny the project.
Saul Gross
Okay, is there a second?
Lucia Dougherty
First I'd like you to continue the project.
Saul Gross
Okay. Is there a second to the motion?
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Don Worth
I'll second.
Saul Gross
Okay, so it's seconded by Don. He made a motion
to deny. Any comment on that? I mean...
Speaker
Well, I guess that you could, we could continue it or
deny it, but I just feel with what has been happening
in Miami Beach, I think you would be better served
by coming back with something that fits within the
current zoning envelope. I think it would be
approved and go through the process much faster
than trying to design this <inaudible> by committee
here.
Saul Gross
Well, I don't know that we're trying to say it that
way. Yeah. Yeah.
Lucia Dougherty
<inaudible> Let me just say, there may not be
another project if we have to redesign it that way.
There is simply no project left at that point.
Saul Gross
<inaudible> I mean.
Speaker
.. . would welcome the denial simply because then.. .
Saul Gross
I'm sure you would.
Speaker
...it would call into question whether or not it's a
new application, a substantially similar application,
then it's clear what the legal standards are and we're
not going to be litigating this for the next two years.
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Saul Gross
Okay, so there's been a motion made by Arthur,
seconded by Don.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'd like to say, as an architect I think I should be
given the chance to prove to you whether maybe
there's a way that I can, within the same concept of
this project, find a way to satisfy this board.
Saul Gross
Yeah, I mean, I think, I would like to give him that
opportunity as well on a continuance, but you know,
it's up to the board. If you'd rather continue it, then
you vote against the denial. If you don't want to see
this or something close to it, then you vote in favor
of the denial for the.. .
Nicolas Quintana
I would like to...
Saul Gross
Everybody clear on that?
Nicolas Quintana
I would like to give them the chance to <inaudible>
alternatives.
Saul Gross
All right, well there's a motion that's been made and
seconded. All those in favor of the motion to deny
signify by saying aye.
Arthur Marcus, Don Worth
Aye.
Saul Gross
All those opposed.
Design Review Board
No.
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Saul Gross
Okay, so how many no's?
Thomas Mooney
Who, everybody raise their hand who voted no.
Saul Gross
Okay, so...
Thomas Mooney
The motion fails two to four.
Saul Gross
All right, so is there a motion to continue?
Carlos T ouzet
I move that we continue to a date certain
<inaudible>
Speaker
I think we should <inaudible>
Carlos T ouzet
April 14th...
Lucia Dougherty
We have April 14th you have to get your plans in by
Monday.
Peter Blitstein
I'll second it.
Thomas Mooney
Carlos, I don't know if they're going to, I don't know
if they're going to. ..
Carlos Touzet
When is it due?
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Thomas Mooney
May may be a more realistic date. <inaudible> by
next Monday.
Saul Gross
Well, Bernardo, what do you, Bernardo, you know,
you're going to have a chance to convince us. How
long do you need to prepare your plans? I mean,
this project's been four years in the making. I don't
know that you're going to argue that a month...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
<inaudible> working on that.
Douglas Duany
Bernardo, you have a, you know, if you actually just
bring the FAR down from this level, I know the
economics and, but I mean, if you can actually bring
the bulk down, I mean our goodwill, and apparently
the neighborhood, or a lot of the neighborhood is for
it. It's just sort of, you're stuck on this high FAR, I
mean, you knOw. It would, it would, it would go
really smooth sailing if you...
Thomas Mooney
Bernardo...
Douglas Duany
.. just adjusted it.
Thomas Mooney
Bernardo, do you, can you get plans by, in to us by
next Monday or would you like, it seems to me with
the amount of work that you need to do that the
May meeting would be more realistic.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, <inaudible> that I will, I, this is something that
I've been. . .
Saul Gross
Mulling over.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, definitely, you know, for some time and about
the possibilities. I want us to be realistic. And
we've sort of been studying what happens if our
client, which we don't know yet if that's acceptable,
allowed us to increase the tower on the south to
some extent because I really felt strongly about the
proportions and what we were trying to do in
relation. But, I would be able to increase it to some
extent.
Thomas Mooney
Bernardo, Bernardo...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And therefore take off from the other side.
Thomas Mooney
Do you, do you, do you need a week? Is less than a
week enough to produce the plans, or would you
like the following month? It seems to me like the
work that you're doing you probably should have
this continued to May 12th as opposed to April
14th.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
IfI'm able to deliver by Monday, am I, do I have to
do this today? Do I have to tell you? I think I may
be able to...
Saul Gross
No, you can go for April and if you're not ready
then...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I would like to go for April because I think we may
have enough in our files to be able to respond to
this.
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Lucia Dougherty
<inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I think there's enough <inaudible>
Thomas Mooney
<inaudible> Bernardo, also so you know, on April
14th you may not have a full board.
Diana Well, and just for the record...
Thomas Mooney
Saul is not going to be here and Arthur is not going
to be here.
Diana
If you continue it to April 14th and you can't get the
plans in and can't get in, you're not entitled to an
automatic continuance. You'd have to come back
and request it from the board again. Just, so we're
all clear.
Thomas Mooney
To May 12th.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Oh, I see.
Diana
I'm not saying they wouldn't grant it. I'm just saying
it's at the board's discretion.
Saul Gross
Simply, <inaudible>
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Okay then, we won't. Then let's assume May.
Saul Gross
May. Okay.
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Speaker
That's fine. The only commitment that I wanted,
and he's not required, is that ifhe does submit plans
on Monday, that we would like to be made known
of it and have the opportunity to copy them or ifhe
can provide us with the courtesy of a copy that'd be
very much appreciated.
Thomas Mooney
Well, if you're, ifhe's continuing it to May like he's
requesting, he'll have until March 30th to submit
plans, so...
Saul Gross
Okay, so the motion, who made the motion? Carlos
did?
Carlos T ouzet
I made the motion to continue.
Saul Gross
To continue to the May meeting and it was
seconded by Peter, seconded it. All in favor signify
by saying aye.
Design Review Board
Aye.
Saul Gross
Opposed. Okay. Thank you.
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CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
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MAY 12, 1998
Page 1 of 75
Saul Gross
All right. Now we're going to go back to the
Carillon Hotel, which is File 9796, 6801 Collins.
Jerry, lucky we didn't get you up there to give us
some historical reference on 41 st Street.
Tom
Okay the next file is DRB File No. 9796, 6801
Collins Avenue the Carillon Hotel. The applicant is
requesting design review approval for the
renovation, alteration of partial demolition of an
existing hotel structure and the construction of a 26
story suites hotel building and a 42 story
condominium tower. A history of the application as
well, a description of the project and the relevant
design review criteria is listed in the staff report.
Briefly, with regard to the staff analysis, as indicated
in the previous staff report staff does have continue
to have some concerns with the north elevation of
the proposed condominium tower and the manner in
which it relates to the street. We also have a
concern with regard to the east west orientation, oh
I'm sorry the north south orientation of the proposed
condominium tower on the north side of the site. In
light of these shortcomings, as well as others listed
on the staff analysis, staff has recommended that this
application be continued to a date certain of July 14,
1998 in order to address the concerns enumerated in
the staff report and we would make the staff report a
permanent part of the record.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you Tom. Lucia. Welcome. Haven't
heard, have we heard from you today?
Lucia Dougherty
No.
Saul Gross
No. It's your first, quarter to eight, first chance.
Okay.
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Lucia Dougherty
Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Members of the
board, Lucia Dougherty with offices at 1221
Brickell Avenue. Here today representing
Transnational properties with me is co-council
Harold Rosen and Andy Groover who is the project
representative. This property was purchased in May
of 1992 for $14 million. The total investment to
date is $22 million. The Carillon costs alone on the
property are $160,000 per month. The professional
fees directly related to this project are in excess of
three-quarters of a million dollars. There were four
years in planning this project prior to the DRB
approval in December of 1996 when that approval
was unanimous. The staff at that time had the exact
same concerns as they have today. Those concerns
were the orientation of the building and north
elevations. At that time we negotiated with staff and
the administration and we have a letter saying that
their concerns had been alleviated with the redesign
and there were some conditions in that letter. That
letter's being distributed to you and I'm going to be
reading from it in a minute. After we got that letter,
we went to the board of adjustment. The Board of
Adjustment granted variances to the project,
including one that allows us to increase the pedestal
of the parking garage in order to accommodate 1600
cars. That 1600 cars is today's, meets today's code
not only for the existing building but also the new
building.
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The City then changed its height ordinance and as
you know when you change an ordinance and you
become zoning in progress you have to pull your
building permit within one year. We were unable to
pull that building permit in one year and you, who
are all design professionals know, that it's almost
impossible to pull a building permit on a project this
size in one year especially when you have a coastal
construction control line permit to secure. So, we
are now before you again for essentially the same
project and may I also say this is a very complex
project from a negotiation standpoint between our
partners because we have partners who are hotel
operators and owners. We have partners who are
condominium operators. We have our own partners
and developers in the project and I'm here want to
tell you that today we have Francisco Nosada who is
with Swiss Hotels is here with us today. Charlie
Hendon and Allan O'Bryan from Lucerne Hospitality
who are the co-developers and financiers of the
project.
Saul Gross
Who are these folks, I'm just curious. Okay.
Lucia Dougherty
In case you don't believe me.
Saul Gross
No, I just like to put a face with a name.
Lucia Dougherty
We also have Paul Murphy with Deal Properties.
Go ahead, introduce yourself
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Francisco Nosada
Yes, I'm Francisco Nosada. I'm senior vice
president of Swiss Hotel. Swiss Hotel is a properly.
known as the Affiliate Company of Swiss Air, which
is the Swiss National Airline Company. And we are
hotel operators across the whole world. We have
four hotels over premier quality, four diamond
awards in United States. We have in the group of
our hotels 80 hotels worldwide and we are
extremely excited about this property which is a
phenomenal possibility for us to get into this market.
Into the resort and business market which is Miami
with outstanding partners and we are keen to
support to every possible means this project.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you very much.
Lucia Dougherty
In case you didn't believe me, didn't he have the right
accent?
Saul Gross
Yeah he has a good answer, good accent too.
Lucia Dougherty
And so today we're asking for a DRB approval for
essentially the same project except it is 126,000
square feet less and it's 14 stories less. We now...
Saul Gross
Less than what?
Lucia Dougherty
Less than we had originally applied for and the DRB
approved in December of 1997.
Saul Gross
What about the one that you showed us last, was it
last month?
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Lucia Dougherty
It is 126,000 square feet less than the one we
showed you because we are now complying totally
with today's ordinances. A 4.0 FAR, which we are
going to show you, and also 14 stories less than that
building that you reviewed the last time. So it's
exactly the same, it's pretty much exactly the same
building only reduced and you'll see that reduction.
But we had the same design review guidelines. We
had the same staff, we had the same administration
that wrote the letter that I have passed out to you
but I'd just like to quote from it. Specifically our
concerns. This is after our DRB approval last time,
concerns were raised relative to the orientation and
possible impact in the neighborhood of the proposed
north condominium tower and the manner in which
the entire project addresses the street and sidewalk
pedestrian environment. Revised drawings have
been submitted by the project architect,
Architectonica which include a new cutout for the
north tower and changes the height, siting and
architectural detailing of the retails stores along
Collins Avenue. In this regard, we have concluded
that the design changes delineated on the plans,
submitted by Architectonica February 4, 1997
address the concerns initially raised by the
administration.
I only bring this up to you because to come today at
this date and say to us that we should reorient this
building and change the elevations means that we
are now going to be spending another 160,000
dollars per month for the next six months
redesigning and another cost of 500,000 dollars to
redesign the building. We have done this. We've
been there. It's unfair to ask us to do it again.
Saul Gross
Okay.
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Lucia Dougherty
I just want to talk about the planning standpoint
because it really makes no sense. Our hotel
operator, Swiss Hotels told us if we reorient this
building to a east-west access they will not be our
partner any longer. This destroys the marketability
of those hotels. Likewise, our neighbors, the
Sterling, who is now represented by John Schubin
who is here supporting the project tells us in our
agreement that if this project gets reoriented to a
east-west direction they can no longer support the
project. Likewise, Victor Posner and the Sands and
Bernardo are....
Saul Gross
Is Victor Posner here?
Lucia Dougherty
He's not here today but as you know, he has
submitted the letters. Excuse me that is the Sterling
hotel. Show them the Sands. The Victor, Sands,
and the Victor Posner hotel. So all of our neighbors
support the project and this orientation and
Bernardo Fort-Brescia who is a world-renowned
architect and urbanist has said that the worst
condition that you can have is a set of dominoes on
the beach. That's literally what the City is
proposing. You have a set of dominoes up and
down the beach. And at the last meeting, board
member Douglas Duany got down and looked down
Collins Avenue with eyes. And at that point you can
see the public also is better served by this orientation
because you're looking at the profile in the place that
the public normally would see it and that is as a
pedestrian or as a traveler in a car. Across the street
we have Publix. Across the street we have Publix.
Saul Gross
You know you're very good at this.
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Lucia Dougherty
Vanna White is going to be. You know something,
you probably can't even see it but directly across the
street from the tower there's a Publix.
Saul Gross
That's okay you don't have to turn it. That's okay.
Lucia Dougherty
The Publix, the parking lot. Oh, you can see it on
the monitor he says. The Publix, the parking lot, the
FPL substation, Denny's and mop. This project
with this orientation can only help this neighborhood
and we do urge your support. And now Bernardo
Fort-Brescia, our architect, will go through the
various evolutions of this building. And by the way
I have 140 signatures of neighbors of the
surrounding properties who are supportive of this
property, for this project.
Saul Gross
Okay. Bernardo, tell us what you changed from the
last time that you presented it.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Good evening, my name is Bernardo Fort-Brescia, a
principal with Architectonica, the architect for this
project. As you recall, in the last hearing I've
explained this project so many times so I don't think
Saul Gross
You don't have to explain it again. Tell us what you
changed.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But in the last hearing there was concern expressed
with respect to the height of the condominium
component and there was a suggestion that we
transfer some of that floor <inaudible> ratio to the
building to the south where the suites for the hotel
were. We attempted to that but it really didn't make
sense from many points of view including the hotel
management aspect as well. As what it would do in
terms of the relationship of the building to the next
door neighbor. And so what we have brought to
you today is essentially a scaling down of the
condominium tower. And I think we have a model
that we're going to show you, it's not in such detail
as the one that is up. But I think that it's what our
client is now having to propose.
Saul Gross
Oh, this is what you showed us last time and this.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Oh this is the original design.
Saul Gross
This is the original?
Bernardo Fort Brescia
This is the original design. Yes. There is a prior
approval of the site.
Saul Gross
Okay, so that's your version of scaling it down is the
new blocked in.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
To show you in the model but you should show the
progress as an intermediate, this is what we brought
last time.
Saul Gross
That's what you brought last time?
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes.
Saul Gross
No. AIl right, we need to speak into the mike.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
The re-submittal in February is what you see there.
"Lucia Dougherty
This is what's in your plans. It's a 4.5 FAR. The
one that we are now proposing is a 4.0 FAR with a
reduction ofa 126,000 square feet.
Saul Gross
Well what's the height? We never saw that...
Lucia Dougherty
Never saw it, it's in your plans.
Saul Gross
It's in the plan. So what's the height of that building,
397 feet?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right.
Saul Gross
And what about the one that you, that's fOUL_
Lucia Dougherty
355.
Saul Gross
What was the first one <inaudible> First one, this is
397. This is 478, so you're now down, 355. Okay.
Can you put which one you do you want? The 355
is what you're suggesting because that's now the 4.0.
Okay. AIl right, so that's one change that you made.
Tell us what other changes that you made, if any.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well, compared to the set of drawings that you
have, because...
Saul Gross
Well compared to what you showed us last hearing.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We have reinstated recess a notch between the two
towers and reinstated the skyline of what appears
against the sky as two towers. Essentially what you
see the difference between this and that is that this,
there's a cut in occurring here and this tower has
risen higher than the middle.
Saul Gross
Okay. What about some of the other.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's per the standard...
Saul Gross
No, I think that's a good change. What about the
other staff comments. The north condominium.
How the north piece meets the street and those
other issues.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We've done everything that we were originally told
to do, frankly. I haven't made any further changes
because we've, those changes were agreed upon
already. Yes.
Saul Gross
Okay.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
And in fact all of them were reviewed at the
previous hearing and the only pending item that we
were asked to take a look at is in fact the original
relocation of the FAR to the southern tower which
instead we have simply removed the FAR from the
northern tower and not relocated it to the southern
tower.
Saul Gross
Okay, that's good. Let's get some public comment.
I'd like to hear from staff maybe, before the public
comment. Tom. Lucia raises a point which I'm
curious how you respond to which is that there was
a deal made between the City and the applicant that
the city was going to appeal the project and then
there's this letter memorializing the settlement that
basically said that they didn't have to...
Tom
That was for an application that has since become
null and void. What had happened is this project
came before the board in December of 96 and over
staffs objections one of the issues was the siting of
the building. The board approved it, the
administration then filed an appeal, or was about to
file an appeal but then entered into negotiations with
the applicant and the applicant's attorney and in
order to avert an appeal they made some
concessions and made some changes to the design.
And the administration staff at that time agreed not
to file an appeal. Now we agreed not to file an
appeal on that DRB application. That DRB
application became null and void because a building
permit was not pulled by December of 1997.
Saul Gross
Okay, so basically...
Tom
So this is a new DRB application.
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Saul Gross
Between the lines what you're saying is the higher
ups made a deal that you didn't support.
Tom
Nope. No. Um mm. Staff, everybody that was
involved in that concurred with the content of that
letter. What I'm telling you is that when they had to
submit a new application, essentially we were
looking at a new application and so...
Saul Gross
But why would that settlement not apply in your
mind. What's the difference?
Tom
Because they, that settlement was for a specific
DRB application. If they didn't pull their building
permit for it and they had to come back to the
board, we were going to look at it again. And in the
last staff report we didn't make that much of an issue
of the orientation of the tower but in looking at the
model and in listening to some of the feedback from
some of the board members, we decided to revisit
the issue. And, you know, I understand what the
letter says and I understand you know there were
no...
Saul Gross
I'm not hitting you legally, because I agree with you
legally that.. .
Tom
But you know to be honest with you in good
conscious we took another look at it. I mean in all
honesty when we made that deal last time I don't
think anybody that entered into was thrilled with it.
You know, nobody really was sold on that
orientation. However, based on a number of
circumstances we agreed to it then. A new
application has been submitted, we took another
look at it and this was OUf conclusion so that's the
best answer I can give you.
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Saul Gross
Okay, all right. Fair enough. Okay. Public
comment. Wait, did you. These boards are up here
now, is there anything that you wanted to show us
from these boards before we got public comment.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes I apologize to the public <inaudible>
Saul Gross
Let's, tell us about these and then we can take them
down.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, I just wanted to, wait, if I can untangle this,
you see in that drawing to the right the brown area
where we had been asked to turn the retail around
the cornef, just addressing some of the issues again,
you know, because they were fe-faised again, you
know. And I undefstood we had agreed on this.
And secondly we moved.
Saul Gross
Y oU'fe saying that that's incorporated in your plan
that you...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Entefed into our dfawings. That's right. In
accofdance to what we had discussed. Secondly we
had added the canopy at the cornef where the
entrance is. The circular canopy. Can I move that?
Saul Gross
Show us that.
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Bernafdo Fort-Brescia
The canopy here. Thirdly we had added a layer of
the arcade coming forwafd of the parking garage so
it created a more, a fifst layer of lowef scale against
the street and recessed behind was the parking. In
the original design it was all flush all the way down
and we did get a variance in order to accomplish
that and to bring the retail arcade closer to the street
and it took a undulating form instead of your
original stfaight line that was in alignment with the
parking. Yes. We also dealt with rearrangement of
the section. This was the original section and if we
made the adjustments that I pointed out, by bringing
the arcade forward ahead of the building and is there
anything else that we changed? I think those are the
fundamental changes related to the issues of the
streetscape that were brought up at the time.
Nicolas Quintana
Bernardo, one question. This plan doesn't coincide
with the last proposal.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Excuse me.
Saul Gross
This plan doesn't coincide with the last proposal.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No. They received comments from staff that they
wanted to reintroduce the notch between the two
towers and that plan was in anticipation of
relocating the square footage that we were seeking
to have and but our client is now into the situation
of our times. He has to, that he has...
Saul Gross
He's trying to come within the 4.0 FAR.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right.
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Saul Gross
You can't get a permit fast enough to...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That is right to meet the financing deadline.
Saul Gross
Right. That's what's going on. Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
So we have reduced the building and created the
recess and not added here because the hotel deal is
based on this, on this program.
Saul Gross
AIl right. So and how many feet are you building
altogether? What's the total square footage is what?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We have reduced the project by a 126,00 feet.
Saul Gross
I'm trying to understand what percentage that is. So
it's a million one thirty-seven, that's without the 130.
You're not on the mike. Roughly, 10-12 percent
you knocked off
Paul Murphy
Paul Murphy, Deal Properties. Originally, four
years ago this property was designed with a
1,500,000 square feet. We've given up a third ofthe
square footage over the last four years.
Saul Gross
Well, no.
Paul Murphy
And 126,000 just recently.
Saul Gross
20 pefcent more or less. There's 1,137,000 now.
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Paul Murphy
No, but originally we <inaudible>
Saul Gross
Just the recent application. Prior to that...
Saul Gross
Right he says from a million five to a million one
thirty-seven so that's 20 percent. 22, 23 percent.
AIl right. Very good. Let's get some public
comment and then we'll get board comment. Could
you maybe take the boards down please? Okay.
Randall.
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Randall Robinson
Randall Robinson speaking for the Miami Design
Preservation League. When I look at this proposal,
it almost seems like the last 20 years never happened
in Miami Beach. It almost seems as if there's the
recognition that the current renaissance that Miami
Beach is undergoing has its roots in the appreciation
of its unique local character. I'm sure that later on
we're going to hear other people saying how
desperately North Beach needs this project because
if it doesn't get this massive urban renewal project
that it's going to continue in the horrible state that
its in. I look at what's being proposed for the
Carillon and I hear that it involves partial demolition
and alteration, but really all the character of that
building is being stripped away. One of the things
that we often say about the art deco district is that
none of the buildings by themselves have any great
significance, it's their assemblage that matters. But
here we have a building that is a great specimen all
by itself It's one of the prime examples of Miami
Beach 50s modern architecture. I think that it's a
fantastic example of the way architects manipulated
concrete to catch light and shadow for decorative
effect, the way that Norman Giller created that
accordion concrete wall along Collins Avenue and
then flipped it over and used it for the canopy for the
porte cochere is something that you don't see in any
other building anywhere in the world.
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And therein lie the seeds, I think, for the renaissance
of North Beach. It's such a shame that people are so
narrow-minded and near sighted that they can't look
to the southern end of the city and see what has
happened there based on the appreciation of our
local character. And not only that, not only are we
seeing the complete stripping of the character of this
great uniquely Miami Beach building, we're also
seeing the addition of this massive tower whether it's
54 stories or 34 stories, it's still a giant massive
tower that instead of, I think, being an asset to the
neighborhood, is really going to be a huge detriment
to the neighborhood. So really as proposed the
Miami Design preservation league is categorically
opposed to this project. Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Other comment from the public.
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Donald Shockey
My name is Donald Shockey, I'm the director of
North Beach Development Corporation. We're a
community development corporation that's been
working for many years to fevitalize North Beach.
Our board consists of representatives of numerous
area homeowners and condominium associations.
We've been working with the developers of this
project for seems like forever, I guess it's almost two
years now. We have, they have been very
responsive to concerns on the part of our board.
Our board has five or six architects. They have all
along been very willing to listen and to actually act
on input. I must say this really is kind of shocking
that we're still at this point with this project. We've
been refining it and refining it and as I remember
from the last meeting it seemed that the major
concerns were about the height and the density of
the project and it just seems like this is, there has
been a massive concession made, 50 stories to 34
stories. I think it is very significant and you know,
how much lower can we expect them to go and still
create a project that's financially viable. In terms of
the existing building they could be tearing down this
building. I don't they're completely altering the
character of it. I think they're preserving some of
the character of it. Maybe I mis-remember the
record but it seems like there were a lot of
comments about the handsomeness of the building.
The materials and it just seemed like the overriding
concern was the height and that has been very much
addressed. Our board has unanimously, repeatedly
voted to support this project. We feel it will spur
major redevelopment in the area. The project, the
current site is an incredible blight on the
neighborhood and it's remained that way for another
two years as we've endured this process and we urge
you to support it and not to start reconsidering basic
things that you haven't talked about before and that
we've addressed previously.
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Saul Gross
Thank you. You say you've endured this process.
The applicant could've built the building that was
approved a year and a half ago. We didn't make
them endure the process. Unfortunately they
weren't able to bring it to fruition on a timely basis
so, you know they have to come back before the
board, that's not...
Paul Murphy
Why? You know, by the time we got a full
develop...
Saul Gross
Introduce yourself for the record.
Paul Murphy
Paul Murphy, Yale Properties. We got a design
review approval in December of96. We finally got
a final approval from BOA in June of97. Within
four months, I mean we have Swiss Air
representatives here, Swiss hotel. By the time you
get all the financing in the banks together, four
months later you change the height and threw us
into this situation right here. Who can put together
a project four months after a final order? If you can
do that, then you know, more power to you. But
we can't. I mean it's impossible to do this. We were
told repeatedly just come back in for an extension to
your permit, we'll be happy to give it to you, but
then you changed the rules on us and now we're
suffering.
Saul Gross
We didn't change the rules, I mean the commission
changed the rules and everyone is living with that.
To that extent I think that you're correct. I mean
everyone had their rights and as you say it's difficult
to pull a permit that fast but that's what the
commission was likely to do that's what they did so
everyone has to live with that. You know property
owners and residents alike. Okay, other public
comment.
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Charles Schaab
Thank you Mr. Chairman. My name's Charles
Schaab and I live at 30 I Ocean Drive, which is in
South Beach, I do not live in North Beach.
However, it would seem to me that this project
is....and about what a building can or cannot do, I
don't think that you could pick a more destructive
building for North Beach than this proposed
condominium. In many ways the mass of this
condominium and the destructiveness of this
condominium is more evident if you're on the
backside looking at it from the backside of the room.
I don't feel that it's and you Mr. Chairman, you in
recent times have commented upon the fact that
you're become less and less concerned about the
internal demands of a project and more concerned
about how it fits into the context. There is no
reason that this 42 story tower cannot be
reconfigured. It does not have to be entirely east or
west, but it can certainly be squared off It can
certainly be what is supposed to be now in our
context here if we're going to have tall buildings
they're supposed to be narrow and slender. But we
continually get these buildings that are narrow and
slender in one orientation and unfortunately very
destructive in the other orientation. The other
aspect, too I've heard, a comment that it would
better that this building face, have the orientation
that it has because the pedestrian experience would
be much better. The truth of the matter is that the
hotel largely hides this building from the pedestrian.
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And so the orientation would be still be much better
if it were more to the east and west then to the north
and south. I also still would urge the board to look
at the entrance to the hotel component. There is
absolutely no street friendly scale or scope at all to
that. You know, in my view to use an existing
Publix which is a single story building with a parking
lot which mayor may not stay there, to speak of a
small shopping center, to sort of throw in the towel
and say it's already ugly there why do we have to
worry about the street? Well, this is not far south of
the, of an area in which the City has made a
considerable investment and much time to create an
urban friendly and an environment that is conducive
to walking and in many ways this project is
destructive of that. This project is simply out of
scale for this area. I cannot comment upon the
problems that the developer has had over time. The
developer has owned this piece of property for a
long time. My feeling is that the developer though
could still go a long way within the context that now
exists and within the zoning that now exists, within
the density that now exists and with the height that
now exists on the side. To be much more respective
of the environment and of the beach and of the issue
of the ability of the people allover the beach to see
the sky and not see a 250 or 200 foot long wall
facing them from east to west. Thank you Mr.
Chairman.
Saul Gross
Okay. Thank you Mr. Schaab. Next speaker please.
David Perot
My name is David Perot and I'm the general
manager of the Deauville Hotel and hotel situated
about one block south of the proposed Carillon
project.
Saul Gross
F Of the new owner?
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David Perot
For the new owner. Davidson Hotel Company.
We've had an opportunity in the short time we've
been here to look at the projects, to evaluate the
neighborhood surrounding the project and feel that
the area needs this project. The area needs the
people, they need the businesses in the area, both
within our facility and in the surrounding blocks,
need the amount of people that this facility is
capable of bringing to the area. We think it's
imperative that this piece, parcels ofland in North
Beach be utilized because our whole goal is to bring
people to the area so that the businesses can survive.
The more people we bring, the more the businesses
thrive. Well if we continue to dwindle the amount
of people. If we continue to diminish the size of the
condominium project, we're taking away those year
round residents that will use the businesses when
things aren't so good. So I think it's imperative, you
know, I understand from an aesthetic perspective,
but I can tell you most people when they're walking
down the street don't care whether a building is 150
feet tailor 200 feet tall because if you're standing in
front of it you can't see anything on the other side
anyway. If you go past a two story building, pretty
much doesn't matter. So, I feel that or we feel and
wholly support their efforts. We think they did a
wonderful job architecturally incorporating massive
parking spaces, which the area is sorely in need of
and we think the whole project will be a boon for
the area.
And we think that basically people need to look
from a financial perspective, from a tax-base
perspective what this project can bring to the North
Beach area. Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you.
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Minette Benson
F or the record, my name is Minette Benson, I live in
the 5600 block of Collins Avenue. So this is pretty
much in my neighborhood and I must cope with
traffic all the time. I will agree with the speaker,
Mr. Schaab who preceded me and won't belabor
what he had to say since I agree with much of it. I
think it's passing strange that none of you up there
insist that this project be turned to face you, Collins
Avenue face you.
Saul Gross
Say that again.
Minette Benson
I think you should ask that this project model be
turned toward you. Seeing it from this perspective,
from the ocean is marvelous. Turn it the other way
and you, I think it's a strange thing to me that you
don't demand it.
Saul Gross
Well, I agree with Minette. I was going to get up to
look from the other side, but.
Minette Benson
See it, all of you.
Saul Gross
Why don't you turn it around, maybe you could turn
it around for us at this point.
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Minette Benson
While they're doing that, I would suggest to you that
the white new tower, the notched tower and the two
buildings north and south of the project are in an
innocuous white so you don't' see density and you
don't' see mass. You know as well as I do, that the
Collins is very narrow at 68th, or thereabouts, and
the only way this project could fly as far as I'm
concerned is for the owners to buy up everything
that's across the street and set it offwith a green
space as well as roads getting into the project the
various buildings and egress. I can't imagine how
many people are going to have to use that narrow
68th Street and Collins entrance and come over the
63rd Street bridge from the airport and clog up that
street, Indian Creek and Collins even worse than it is
now. The traffic there between four and six and in
the morning is unbelievable as you know now. Do
you have an approved traffic study attached to this?
Does it meet concurrency at a level of service. It's
at an abysmal level of service now. I don't
understand, that you don't' take these into
consideration. I just must emphasize that you have
more responsibility than to just approve or dis-
approve" site specific plans. You're supposed to look
at the cumulative effect of development. If there
was nothing across the street, I would say it could
fly if roads and green space were introduced there
but I'm sure it's economically unfeasible, impossible.
But I must say to you that all those white buildings
that you see there are pretty dense, they're pretty
ugly and they're not near as innocuous as you see
them in the white plastic model. If you are going to
look, if you're going to walk on that 68th Street
Collins Avenue area you're going to feel the damn
buildings are falling on your head and I ask you at
last would you please consider this in the light of the
cumulative effect of all those things I've discussed.
Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay thank you.
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John Schubin
John Schubin, Schubin and Bass. I am joined here
now by <inaudible> Bass, my partner with offices at
46 SW 1st Street in the City of Miami. We are here
today representing the Sterling Condominium
Association, Inc., Mr. Pablo Mendez individually
and as President of the Association, Ms. Amy
Hernandez individually and as Vice President of the
Association a Mr. Fidel AIvarez individually and as
Secretary-Treasurer of the Association, they are all
here in the audience here tonight. Minette Benson
asked me to preface my comments to you by
emphasizing that I am only here today speaking on
behalf of the Sterling Condominium Association and
the residents. Well, as you can see what regardless
of the orientation of the model, the Sterling contains
those residents to the south of the project who are
probably going to be most immediately affected by
the project. And notwithstanding that the Sterling is
here today to support the project for a few reasons
that I would like to elaborate upon. There was a lot
of concern at first when this application was filed.
Initially, a year and a half ago the Sterling
Condominium Association, a predecessor board
recommended the approval of the project. There
was some concern among the unit owners with
respect to some of the density of the original project
and the massing of the original project.
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And it was at that point when the project came
before you again that the Association sought legal
representation to determine what its options would
be. I can tell you that after the first meeting when
the association heard some of the concerns of this
board, particularly the possible reorientation of the
building to an east-west, the possible transfer of
massing, from the northern buildings to the southern
buildings, the association took a hard look at this
project, worked with the developers who were
extremely forthcoming, extremely honest, extremely
open. And we sat down and, the Sterling
determined that it was simply not in their interest as
the most affected neighbors to see an east-west
orientation and Lucia's correct in saying that we will
withdraw our support of the project if the project is
reoriented.
Saul Gross
Why?
John Schubin
Simply because we believe the reorientation creates
more of a massing towards the view corridor that
the Sterling presently possesses.
Saul Gross
You're saying it would block views of the Sterling?
I don't get that.
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John Schubin
Not saying that it would block views, but it would
certainly be more apparent if it were reoriented.
And for those that live on the north side of the
building, it is their preference to see the northern
most building on a north to south access as opposed
to a east to west access. I could just tell you that
based on the representative poll that the neighbors
have taken, that is the preference of those who live
in the condominium. Now I think it's more apparent
and should be more apparent as to why there were
some concerns with the original, some of the
original suggestions which would be to transfer the
density to the southern most building. Forget about
what the developer told you about it not being
economically feasible. That's something that the
Sterling would oppose very adamantly. The Sterling
recognizes that there are some sort of property
rights and that something is going to be built. They
also recognize that what presently exists is in most
people's minds a complete eyesore and they
recognize that this developer was sensitive to trying
to accommodate them while attempting to create a
project that was also in their best interests. So for
those reasons the Sterling is here to day to give it
support. Where we need your support, and the
developer has agreed to work with us, is the project
is limited in such a way that its loading area, it's
operational loading area is on the southern most side
ofthe project, the one that is most adjacent to the
Sterling Condominium.
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The developer has represented to us and we've heard
from staff directly and indirectly that there were
some concerns from staff and some concerns from
the administration with respect to creating a denser
buffer, a more dense buffer on the south side
because of the concern with the view corridors. Our
concern is to create more of a buffer. We're not
architects, we're not planners. We don't have all the
solutions. We're here to support the project but we
would also like your help with respect to trying to
create a solution on the south side that does not
require the reorientation or the rebuilding of the
project because that is not something that we would
support. Even if it's something modest, just some
sort of a buffer for the operational loading area. The
developer has agreed to limit the hours of operation
but there's also a concern from those on the north
side of the building with respect to the aesthetics.
Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay, so just to repeat, Mr. Schubin's in favor of a
high rise. Is this a first?
John Schubin
Perhaps you did not listen to what Minette asked me
to tell you. I'm here today on behalf of my clients
and I speak only for my clients who have to live
there.
Saul Gross
Okay, you're a lawyer. I got you. Okay. Sir,
please.
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Lincoln Lopez
May name is Lincoln Lopez I do not live in South
Beach. I am coming here with authority of living in
the Sterling building and with the authority of having
bought in 1989. One of the first who bought when
the building was not even raised. I moved in 1990
and since 1990 I have been facing from the fifth
floor all types of scandals, rocks, alcoholics, low life
people. More than dogs barking all the time and
plus the sight of a ruin of a building which is every
time getting more and more deteriorated. My right
is to tell you that this project has to be approved and
your duty as a member of the government of the city
is to approve something like that to have the area
improved in our favor, the people of who lives in
that area who has been living for 10 years facing
things that my grandsons, my daughters, my wife
they don't like to see it. And we've been seeing that
for the last 10 years. This will terminate that
situation. This is something that will improve the
area and it's your duty as the people <inaudible> of
the City to approve projects like that.
Saul Gross
AIl right thank you very much.
Lincoln Lopez
Thank you very much.
Saul Gross
Okay, other speakers.
Hovi Kramer
I'm Hovi Kramer, the managing agent for the
Golden Sands. It is the low-rise building to the
north of the Carillon project. We at the Golden
Sands among other business owners in the area we'd
like to let you know that we are in full support of
this project and it's architecturally pleasing,
especially the fact that the building is going north to
south. We feel that it takes away less from our small
building by being situated as it is. We ask you to
please approve it tonight.
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Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Other comments. Mr. Hyman. I
was wondering why you were still here.
Martin Hyman
My name is Martin Hyman. And I live on the same
block for quite a few years that's...
Saul Gross
5600 block.
Martin Hyman
5600 block of Collins Avenue, correct. I own my
apartment. I'm also one of those people that Donald
Sharkey referred to on the executive board of North
Beach Development Corporation. I'm on the
steering committee. I'm on the design review
committee, I'm on the capital improvements
committee and over the past years we've had many
meetings with the developers and the architects of
this project. And also on numerous occasions the
board has unanimously approved resolution hoping
that the City would help approve this project so it
could get going. AIl the things that had been said
about the economics in the area they're all common
sense, I certainly not going to repeat it. Let's talk
about some specifics, which you're primarily
concerned about. As far as the massing goes, let's
keep in mind that Collins Avenue is one way at this
point, from south to north. And I think and I don't
want to get too far.from the microphone.
Saul Gross
This is a traveling mike.
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Martin Hyman
Oh yes. When you have this orient the way it is,
north to south, and 90 percent of the vision of this is
going to be from someone in a car going northerly,
you get down, you will not. I can only tell you that
from what we used to call a worm's eye view, right,
which in this case is someone traveling in a car that
to have this volume, this north tower oriented north-
south is the most obvious way to do it, that's number
one.
Saul Gross
Marty, let me just ask you. What about the people
who live on Lagorce and Pine Tree and on the
interior, how do you think it'll impact them, north-
south versus east west?
Martin Hyman
I was getting to that.
Saul Gross
Okay, I was just a <inaudible> getting into your next
point.
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Martin Hyman
Let's just go by the percentage of eyes that are going
to see it and how they're going to see it. That's
number one. Secondly, this volume is set back
significantly from most other volumes up and down
Collins Avenue including the Sterling, the original
Carillon and all the other buildings. So here we are
talking about traveling north in a car, when you get
down to that level which I'm not going to try and do
again, you see hardly any of the top of the tower.
As far as the architectural juxtaposition to me, I
would rather see this 90-degree relationship than
parallel towers where one looks into the other. To
answer your question nothing is static. Yes, if I was
always looking at this volume from this point of
view I would have to of course, common sense I'm
going to see more than if! look at it this way. Let's
view a couple of blocks up. Look at the same
volume. You say the same thing. You say the
reverse. We're talking about thousands of people
who have been in favor of this. A lot of the people,
I don't hear that many, just a few of the people I
hear tonight who are opposed to this project. I have
never seen at a North Beach development meeting at
any other meeting as far as most of the people are
on this Beach are concerned North Beach is null and
void and we don't believe that. We're not saying
that's the only reason you should approve it. I'm
addressing a specific urban point of view, the
architectural design and I think it's a plus this way.
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Of course this project has to meet concurrency and
mitigation of whatever else there is like any other
project. We understand that. That's not what we're
discussing today. So given those factors and if
you'd like to ask anything else, I'll gladly answer I
mean I'm not the applicant hefe but we feel very
strongly about this and the points that have been
brought up we don't feel are 100 percent legitimate.
We have every confidence that this architect is an
outstanding architect and other items about some
relationships, street level, or retail, whatever it might
be will be worked out. You've heard from the
neighbors, one, two. This guy's got a two-story
building. In favor of it. It's on the record. What
more do you want? Thank you.
Saul Gross
Okay, just for the record I just want to ask you this
question, I don't want you take it the wrong way.
Do you have any personal financial gain
professionally.. .
Martin Hyman
I have no...
Saul Gross
...ifthe project is approved?
Martin Hyman
I have no direct or indirect motive in this project. I
have not been commissioned or questioned about it
and I don't expect to be because they have an
outstanding architect here. Why would they need
another outstanding architect?
Saul Gross
Fair enough. Thank you. Okay, any other comment
from the public? Okay.
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Sid Kavitch
My name is Sid Kavitch and I was almost asleep in
bed when I heard some of the negative comments
about this project, I was having coffee. I was having
coffee with a coffee tray that was given to John
Collins who is a relative by marriage of ours, that I
inherited after one of the members Collins family
died and our involvement in this community goes
back to before the turn of the century. I'm not an
architectural historian or an architect, although I've
been published on architectural history and I'm
absolutely appalled that recent residents or people
that are here for the short term who don't invest any
money in the community who are shall we say,
goyas or yentas can spend their time complaining
about projects that brings jobs, money,
development, into this community. Contrary to
what people believe this building was not built by
Mickey Mouse, it was built by tax money from
developments. In fact, this building is a
development. It used to be a parking lot, it used to
be nothing, okay. So, the complaint we can't
develop is preposterous. This town was conceived
by two people as a development it was developed by
people. Some developments are ugly, some
developments are beautiful. We have a design
review board that's supposed to review the design
elements of projects. You are not appointed to kill
development in Miami Beach. Your purpose is not
to play politics with one project vis a vis another
project.
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You're not supposed to approve projects that you
have friends involved with and disapprove projects
that people you don't like have. You're supposed to
judge the architectural merits and I have no idea
what the architectural merits of this project are. But
you're not to take into consideration people's
political agendas or yenta like comments of people
that are unhappy with the world. I happened to eat
and to do business within walking distance of this
facility. I passed it several times. One time I got
stuck in North Miami Beach and had to walk Collins
Avenue from North Miami Beach to where I live on
15th Street about 2 a.m. on a Christmas morning
and I saw the outline, the skyline of Collins Avenue
from North Miami Beach Sunny Isles down to here.
Now I don't like Bal Harbor. I don't like big
buildings. I don't want to live in a big building. I
live in a small three-story historical building. I've
always lived in historical buildings, but there are a
lot people in this world who like big buildings, they
like it. It's not my taste, it's their taste and I just
hope you're not taking a policy position or a political
position or a subtext we don't want any development
because I don't think it's going to work I don't
think the courts will substantiate it. I think your job
is to look at the design elements.
You are called the design review board, not the
economic review board and that's how you should
look at it and I think you should disregard any
comments that are not addressed to the design
review elements which is what you're supposed to be
judging.
Saul Gross
Okay, thank you. Any other comment from the
public? Okay with that lead in, let's get some
comment from the design, from the design review
board. I think the point's well taken. Board
comment. Yeah. Oh, George, sorry.
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George
Thank you.
Saul Gross
I know you're waiting there patiently. You wanted
to be last.
George Martinez
I like to be the last.
Saul Gross
Okay, you're last.
George Martinez
Well you know my name.
Saul Gross
Well you have to tell everybody for the record.
George Martinez
George Martinez. I'm a resident of Miami Beach for
38 years and I'm going to put them in one sentence.
You only hear South Beach, South Beach, South
Beach. My two boys and my three grandsons grow
up there in that area. I remember years ago the
glory days from the Carillon Hotel and the morning
read in the paper, I read the AIca, A-L-C-A, Mr.
Clinton program for the whole America's
headquarters going to be here in Miami. I want
Miami Beach have a lot of hotel room to
accommodate these people. And I think North
Beach had not been treated fairly. Thank you.
Saul Gross
AIl right, thank you George. Okay, Board
comment.
Douglas Duany
I have a question just, not really comment. Has the
retail been lowered or is it still set up. Is Bernardo
around or perhaps project manager? Yeah, these
variances in effect have been done right?
Saul Gross
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
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Yes.
These documents are excellent.
The retail is still up in some, it's not up at all any
more.
Just a few steps.
Just a few steps, right.
It's not on a major pedestal like it was before. It's
been substantially lowered.
Okay.
Yeah just a few steps to put it up to the required
level for flooding. ..
The flood level, right. Okay.
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Douglas Duany
I can jump ahead and finish. I was quoted and I still
think the Collins streetscape has been very well
handled and I think the project has been very
responsive. And I'm not enamored of high rises
because I think part of the reason why you have so
many parking lots across from Collins is in fact
because of the original wave of high rises so I don't
think this is a permanent solution. But that's sort of
a strategic thing. I think the remaining negative is
just shade on the beach, but apparently, which is a
strong one, but it doesn't override host
considerations. So, I'm supportive. There's a
technical thing I would like. The pedestal with the
waveform is inevitable because of the parking
requirement. I'm wondering if palm trees or double
tier palm trees can be placed as a screen to the
pedestal. To the parking pedestal.
Saul Gross
It's a pretty big pedestal. What is that about 50 feet
Bernardo? 58.
Douglas Duany
But the side street is well landscaped. I was
wondering whether the front can be. It won't
detract from the retail, it'll bring more shade in and it
will screen the pedestal. And it's a small technical
issue, but L.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
If you're referring to densifying the royal palms
along the street side.
Douglas Duany
Yeah, you can double tier them like in Los Angeles
if you want or use two species. Or you can just
double the royals. But what's a bay, what's the on
center on the columns? I'm sorry Bernardo. It's
like.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes. Yes. I'll get it to you.
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Speaker
I remember it's 40. I don't expect you to remember
details.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes. In this case, in the arcade level.
Saul Gross
AIl right welL
Douglas Duany
I think you can, you should put a palm tree every
bay and it'll improve things generally.
Saul Gross
How are the palm trees?
Speaker
Every bay.
Speaker
Every bay, every bay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Instead of every other bay, it should be at every bay
relating to the arcade.
Douglas Duany
Yeah, it'll shade more. It'll screen the bulk.
Saul Gross
Bernardo. It's already done that way is that what
you're saying, or.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah we will do it, yes.
Speaker
The arcade on our plans are still shown as
undulating. Is it flat now?
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No it is undulating. Currently the trees are located
in the...
Speaker
In the undulation.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
In the undulation so, if we're going to double up the
palm trees will also undulate.
Douglas Duany
What you're going, is yeah, you can undulate them
or you can put a different species.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right.
Douglas Duany
You know, to respond to that.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, you mean like Wilshire, or like in Beverly
Hills.
Douglas Duany
Yeah exactly.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Where they have the two kinds.
Douglas Duany
It's never used down here but it's a good idea.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yeah, it's a very nice detail.
Saul Gross
Okay, next...
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I like that better than, because of the undulation I
think it's more logical to change the species because
I think it creates a relation of the landscape to the
architectural form.
Nicolas Quintana
I am supportive of this project. I think that the
condominium building is placed north-south, is
where it should be. I think they brought down the
tower which was the thing I was totally opposed
from the first time it was presented and I think it's a
very good project. I think it would be very good for
the area.
Saul Gross
Okay Don.
Don Worth
I'm surprising myself in that I like it more than I
thought I would. When I first looked at the
schematics I again sort of said to myself east-west
orientation blocking the water which is something
on a normal basis which is a real, real concern to me
and yet when I drove up there and spent some time
walking around and driving around 71 st Street and
then I looked eastward, frankly it's not a great view
corridor. It's not that important as I saw it anyway.
And I thought that Marty Hyman's point was
actually a good one and one I hadn't thought of
which was that by having the building north-south
that it would actually be more of an impediment to
the view corridor. And when I define a view
corridor. ..
Saul Gross
You mean to reorient it east-west.
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Don Worth
Yeah, yeah. It might even be more of a problem and
frankly as I was there in 71 st Street and Harding,
looking eastward I sort of went eh, you know, do I
really need to save this? And that was just my
visceral reaction. When I walked the street there's
not a great pedestrian oriented streetscape. It isn't
now, it probably never will be so even in terms of a
pedestal I don't know what we're lacking. When I
looked at the Golden Sands...
Saul Gross
Why do you say it never will be, though. Why do
you write that off
Don Worth
Well, because I think, I don't know, I'mjust sort of
walking. There we are we got the Publix, we've got
the back side ofPublix, and then we've got the
Denny's and the other stuff It's not a small and then
we've got Collins Avenue. Even with the wide
sidewalks, it's just not the small pedestrian friendly
scale and I was sort of interested that when I looked
a the Golden Sands I looked at the pedestal, I said
my God this thing is really going to dwarf the
Golden Sands and you can see that it is. And yet it's
sort of interesting to hear the owner of the Golden
Sands be comfortable with that and it's sort of
something that I have to learn which is that I have
particular values and the values influence how I
might see buildings and in different areas see that
and you have people in North Beach who feel in a
different way in terms of how they value things. I
was interested that nobody in the audience other
than Charles brought up the issue ofthe view
corridor. It's not important here, it's not important
to them, so I just find myself being more
sympathetic to the project whether or not the
financial aspects, I respect the fact that developers
are in for this for a lot, but it's really sort of not what
I can go on the basis of I'm sympathetic to it.
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I wish Randall were here just to ask if there were
any specific things that could be done to the Carillon
that could be worked out with the developer in
tenns of enhancing whatever historic value it had.
One thing I know I'll miss frankly, the sign. I like
the sign. Any way you can save the sign?
Saul Gross
Is the project still going to be called the Carillon? It
is now. Peter do you have any comments. If not I'll
entertain a motion of
Speaker
I have a couple of comments.
Saul Gross
Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker
I still don't understand that arcade because I look at
the plan and I look at the model and I understand
the model is an earlier version but in the plan that
arcade undulates, so does that mean that the wall of
the, above it is also undulating or is that, so it is set
back as a flat point.
Saul Gross
Bernardo you need to speak into the mike.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
The arcade is not on the same plane. It is...
Saul Gross
In front of it.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Quite a bit in front of it. We <inaudible> our
variance in order to accomplish this because the
current set back requirements force the building
usually to set fairly far away from the curb. So, this
suggestion here of this board originally we actually
went for a variance to bring it forward and closer to
the street....
Saul Gross
So the undulation, the undulation is only the portion
that's in front of the garage.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Oh yeah, that's right.
Saul Gross
And it's going to be more pronounced.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right. Exactly. It's like a plane separated
from the building.
Saul Gross
Yeah, right.
Speaker
But in the section there's a level of parking also?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Not any more.
Saul Gross
Not any more.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Under the new section we remove the parking. The
parking stayed behind, we couldn't move that
parking. And then we set that forward of the
parking and lowered it.
Speaker
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Because the zonings look awkward the way that
they follow the curb. It makes it, they seem kind of
erratic. On the drawings that we have it's not on the
model. The undulating wall has rectangular awnings
and they seem to work against what the arcade is
trying to do. It just seems like the whole ensemble
works together and the undulations on the facade of
the two podium elements work well. They're the
only curbs and then you have this kind sign curve.
The zoning just seems bizarre.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Actually the original reason for the undulation was
because we wanted to fit those large size palm trees
and we inserted them in the recess of the undulation.
And we're going to, I can see now that we may
introduce a different kind of palm tree in the shallow
area because in fact we wouldn't have been able to
fit the same kind, and that is what we were trying to
do is push as far as out as possible to fit all that
retail in the back and create enough space. What
you're referring is that we are fighting elevation in
floor plan right, with curvatures.
A little bit. Actually what worried me was the fact
that they were on different planes and it wasn't
evident from the model so I was concerned that...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Oh, I see, no they are totally, they're not touching
each other. They're totally different planes.
Since you're changing the name of the project,
would it be possible. You know we weren't' going
to ask that, you offered it. It seems that one of the
most...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Has it really been offered for...
Speaker
Speaker
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No, no it hasn't. I think <inaudible>
My only concern about the old Carillon is that one
of the really nice dramatic simple gestures is that in
front you have the eyebrow with the openings. The
minute you put up that large parapet around it to
have the Swiss hotel name on it, you lose that. And
it could be one of the last remnants of the skyline of
the tower. Is that something that could be
negotiated? Do you know...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Speaker
That plane where the name of the hotel is continues
to exist.
Right, but the eyebrow is covered by the parapet so
you no longer see the sky through the openings of
that eyebrow. It's a minor thing, I'mjust mentioning
it because it is an interesting...
There are circular openings in the eyebrow.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Speaker
Right.
You know it's large circles, open circles.
Do you know where that is? I wasn't serious about
changing the name.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Did you <inaudible>
No, no. I'm joking about the name.
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No in fact I can tell you, we...
Saul Gross
Hold on Bernardo, wait a minute your client's
speaking.
Andy Groover
We truly very much respect and pride which is
related to the building as far as I'm concerned the
version of the signage of the Swiss Hotel is
something that I understand. I agree with you, I
don't necessarily like it very much where it is. If it
can on somewhere on the other building it's fine for
me. If you want to keep the logo of Carillon, not
necessarily as the trademark if it's going to be a
Swiss Hotel, it's going to be fine but frankly
speaking being associated with the Carillon it's not.
Not a problem.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Speaker
I have a couple comments. Are you finished?
Speaker
And anyway in keeping, do you know what I'm
talking about? How about the, but is it all the way.
Saul Gross
Speak into the mike.
Speaker
But the mass is there. And then the last thing is, is
there anyway of keeping any portion of the folded
plate.
Saul Gross
In the front of the Carillon is that what you're
talking about?
Speaker
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Right the one that acts as a porte cochere right now,
as a remnant. It's just a suggestion think.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Speaker
Unfortunately it happens mostly in the area where
we're building the new meeting facilities. And I
mean I really like it and we'll explore whether we
can keep it if there's a way that structurally we can
hold it to while we are building the new thing that
we're building but.
Or reconstruct it.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I will attempt to do that but I really can't promise it
because we have got deep into the structure of the
existing building to the extent that I know that it can
survive and that's the main reason why it's not there
because I think it's interesting. But I would like to
address that aspect of the top of the building
because I, in fact it does occur where the added
floor is because the added floor is where there was
already a high parapet and was a fitness center spa
on that floor. So it is a floor that is currently
accessible by elevator already and that overhang that
you're'talking about with the circles it is still there
and as long as I can find a place where to put the
name of the hotel, elsewhere as he has pointed out I
will try to revise it and see if I can bring it up, bring
it out again. It's a certain size of the name that we
need it to fit. It's <inaudible>what I was referring
to.
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Saul Gross
Make a couple comments. You know it strikes me
in some ways funny at how similar the dynamics
behind this project are to what those, the dynamics
behind the Westin project in the sense that there's a
large site that has a very large garage. The parking
for the entire site, 1600 spaces is in one particular
section ofthis project which is on the north end.
And keeping it away from the south end and was
driving this as if they're trying to satisfy the people
from the building on the south whatever that's
called. If the people from the Golden Sands were
here and they were complaining about the size of the
pedestal, everybody would be saying well okay well,
let's redistribute some of the mass from the parking
garage and move it south because we've got a 60
foot wall in the parking pedestal that's up against the
Golden Sands. But they're not here complaining and
so we're not really addressing that issue and I just
wonder urbanistically whether you know, this is the
best solution with all the parking stacked up you
know one on top of the other rather than having it
spread out throughout the project. The same thing's
true of the massing of the tower. You know, just
like in the Westin where they're trying to be a good
neighbor to their own building. They've kind of
moved the smallest amount ofthe project close to
their own building and the building that's objecting
and most of the mass is going up against the north
end and it's not really that well distributed.
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I take the fact that you've eliminated the mass, which
is an unusual step but it's one that's forced know by
the zoning code by the reality of having to get to the
4.0 because you probably can't pull the permit in
time. And maybe because we're looking at this
white block, you know it doesn't do as much justice
as if your pretty model had been there and I do like
the you know, the vocabulary of your design with
the positive and negative of the green and the red
glass. I think it's somewhat effective. I personally, I
still feel like it's bulked up on the north side and you
know hasn't really been at all addressed in the
pedestal of moving any piece of it to the south. I
mean is that possible? Wouldn't it be to some
advantage to have some of the parking on the south?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
In this one case I do have to disagree with you,
because first of all. . .
Saul Gross
It wouldn't be the firs time.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
...there are 300 parking spaces on the south.
Saul Gross
There are 300. Where are they?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right and all the parking is there. It's, and in
addition to that if you look at the cornice line of the.
There is a pedestal on the south side as well, it just
happens to have only 300 cars and the ballrooms and
the trade, and the exhibition hall, but there is a
pedestal.
Saul Gross
How high is the pedestal on the south building?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well you can see.
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Saul Gross
It just seems to disappear. Where?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
There's a pedestal here, there's a pedestal here.
Saul Gross
Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
They have both their pedestals on both sides.
Saul Gross
AIl right, parking there.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No, there's parking below but then they have the
ballrooms and the exhibition space. If I would've
put more parking on the south side then I'd still have
to have a ballroom and exhibition so would I have
moved it to the north side then I would have ended
up with the same. We found a balance by which we
put enough cars on the south plus the ballroom and
exhibition space that matched approximately the
height of the pedestal on the other side for the
balance of the parking and created a sort of podium
that is intersected by the existing building. But so in
fact the balance is not only achieved by number of
cars, it's a combination of cars and the meeting
rooms that are very large spaces that have to be
column free.
Speaker
Saul Gross
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So there's another thing about the proportions
between different between this and the Westin. This
one is, first of all the street is uni-directional and the
proportions in the Westin are turned 90 degrees and
I haven't seen the new solution but there was a
strong fight to try and enter it. This is a more
horizontal solution and I don't mind the bulkiness
because it's longer and the whole way he's dealing
with is it as hits the street, is very different than the
last solution from Zyscovich, his was less fluent.
This is, you know, because the building is set back
and that other way Bernie's was turned 90 degrees I
think this makes you less aware of the pedestal.
You think that's the whole building whereas with
Bernie's you know there's a building on top of it. So
I think this is just handled with all the elements
slightly differently than that one. AIthough the
problem is exactly the same it's just solved in a
slightly different manner and I think it makes a big
difference.
h
Okay. William did you want to make a comment,
then we'll get a motion.
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William Medellin
Yes as not only as a member of the planning staff,
but also as a resident ofN orth Beach, I shop at the
Publix right across the street every night on the way
home that this is my business district, this is my back
yard. I look at this skyline every day from my
apartment balcony so I'm intimately familiar with. I
like the project very much. I think the project is
excellent. I think the area needs it, but I do share
the concern of Tom relative to the orientation of the
North Tower. I very sincerely believe that the North
Tower orientation was switched from north-south to
east-west with the taller portion being nearer to the
sea that would significantly address Saul's concern
relative to the massing on the north side of the site
because you'd be literally picking up the end of the
building. We talk about, well it's only seen from
people driving from the south, driving from south to
north on Collins Avenue. Well those people don't
live there, those people are on their way to Bal
Harbor and Aventura and destinations elsewhere.
It's the people that live across from Indian Creek in
this immediate area and people like myself who look
at this skyline every day who are impacted and I will
guarantee you each new tower that goes up takes its
chunk out of the skyline and out of
that... perpendicular to the shoreline rather than
north-south. So I think it's a wonderful project. I
think the architectural articulation that has been used
is one of the finest I've seen brought forward to us.
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The color selection, the structural system, the way
that has been interpreted into a facade design
system, I think is marvelous. I do agree with
Randall relative to the Carillon. You know I think
the Carillon Tower, you know, designed by one of
our own senior members of the design review board,
you know Norman Giller, very much stands on its
own as a piece of architecture. I think it's
unfortunate that we have to take that marvelous
expansive eyebrow that <inaudible> reference on the
front of the building. I mean every time I go by I
look up there to these three marvelous holes in that
eyebrow that you look straight up to the sky through
and it's brilliant. To put a horizontal parapet there I
think is really a distortion of a wonderful piece of
architecture that holds its own. The window
configuration on the tower north and south the
window elevations is it's a wonderful glass curtain
wall. It's very Mondrian in it's character and to go
to the extent of creating roof sculptures on the roof
where they're not even necessary and the same
objective could be accomplished with very simple
rectangular enclosures which would not try to
reinterpret the vocabulary of the building. So I think
it's a wonderful project I do want to see it built. The
area desperately needs it. I don't know how the
residents have survived with the conditions there
over the last 10 years. They really are incredibly
deplorable. I walk the beach, I walk the streets
there. I shop there and the conditions across the
street aren't likely to change soon. You have Publix,
you have parking lots, you have Denny' s. You have
the Pancake House and it's probably all going to
remain that way for quite some time so it is very
important to have a very substantial well ordered
architectural complex in this area. I think it's critical
to the kind of the renaissance and regeneration of
this area. But I think we'd be, we'd really be going
astray if we don't take into consideration the deco
period architects and even the architect of the
original Roney hotel. East-west is the right
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orientation when you're facing the ocean. You do
not broadside it.
Saul Gross
Just one question to the architect. Can any of
William's concerns about the hotel be taken into
account in the renovation in terms of preserving the
curtain wall, any of the other things that he and
Randall mentioned.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Some. We can't preserve the curtain wall because it
doesn't comply with a hurricane or energy codes of
today and we really have to re-do that whole scheme
and the current glass is clear glass. You know we
can't, there's no way facing south and the rooms
have glass wall to wall, floor to ceiling and it's, they
don't have balconies so it'd be very hot in there. So
we have proposed an alternate, we had to come up
with an alternate method of glazing. However...
Saul Gross
Do you have a picture of it now, I mean, how come
we don't....
Speaker
You can do the same configuration, could you not?
The saine framing, you could use the same framing
configuration.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Well the glass is only about a third of the facade
anyway, the rest of the facade is...
Saul Gross
Bernardo, could you pass it around.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... is not. As you can see as solid <inaudible>
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Bernardo Fort-Brescia
The room depths in the areas where you see recess
are not acceptable to standards of today. The rooms
would be extremely very small. They would only fit
a single bed and we have to, the hotel's reconfigured
to meet the standards of a five star hotel of the level
that this hotel is. It is, this is the only way to
accomplish a building that meets those standards. I
think what I will attempt to do is preserve, the
canopy with the holes, I think that is a good point.
Saul Gross
Where is that? This, if I'm looking at the Carillon,
this is the south elevation. It's on the west elevation.
Because the south elevation is really not...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
it's hidden behind those solid planes, they only
perceived from the front but it is truly....
Saul Gross
You don't have a...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
...when you look at up you see through the holes up
through the sky and it is a very interesting view and
I will, I will definitely attempt to preserve that.
Speaker
There are streets there now.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes, that's right. But, I'm referring to just the
canopy that faces the western side. Now with
respect to the zigzag down below. I'd say, I really
love it too. The only reason I didn't show it is
because I couldn't give assurances to the design
review board that I will be able to keep it from the
structural integrity point of view and once we do the
work. If! can, I will preserve it. And, but I don't
want it to be part of this because I will have to come
back to you if I have a problem.
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Saul Gross
Do you have a picture of the west facade Bernardo?
Photograph. I don't see it in this set. Maybe it was
you know the previous submission. That south side
is pretty unremarkable. Huh? Well I think given the
overall scheme I prefer the solution that he has to
the south side. This is from the ocean side. No,
we're just talking about the west elevation. Didn't
bring it. Okay.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
It's an off centered zigzag that intersects the
columns and then continues beyond that to the south
and the portion that continues beyond that to the
south is the one I don't know how we'll support it.
Maybe there's a way that we can shore it
temporarily. That is the one I can't give you
assurances. I think it's more likely that I can
preserve the one on top.
Saul Gross
Okay, you know there's two issues here. One's the
orientation, some people...
Nicolas Quintana
In relation to the orientation I would like to coincide
with Hyman. I think that north-south is exactly in
the position it should be. A 90 degree relationship
to the Carillon. And I think that's a way to be
placed. I mean I fully agree the way it is right now.
I think it would be a big mistake to put it in the
other position because then it would even block
more the views of the Carillon hotel. This way it
stands out. I think it's in the proper position. I don't
have any doubts and the other point I would like to
stress is that projects reach a moment when they
have to be approved then we could end this. We'll
be adding little things to this. I think the statement
is already made. The project is a good project, it
would be very good for the area and I really would
like to move a motion to approve it.
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Saul Gross
Well, let's hold on, there's a motion that's been made
to approve it. It is subject to the staff conditions or,
you have to.
William Medellin
No, I think we should have Carlos' point, just one or
two details.
Saul Gross
We're going to go through whatever the conditions
are that Nick wants to make part of his motion
because I-A talks about turning the tower so I
imagine you want to delete that. Nick, you want to
follow along.
Speaker
Yeah, you're going to want to delete condition
number I-A.
Nicolas Medellin
Yeah. I would like to delete A.
Saul Gross
Okay. B is fine, C is fine.
Speaker
Yeah.
Saul Gross
D, is that something that they've addressed or no?
Speaker
Why don't you say what they are?
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William Medellin
On number D, which would be renumbered C ifit
was to be adopted, the first level of the north
elevation of the proposed condominium structure,
that's actually should be the first level ofthe
pedestal, north elevation of the parking pedestal for
the condominium structure. StafffeeIs that....
Saul Gross
Shall be redesigned to provide more visual interest.
William Medellin
You know, we suggested that perhaps they consider
putting retail there but what ends up happening is
they lose a lot of parking so, if it's not going to be
retail perhaps there's something else that can go
there. But we felt that there should be more visual
interest there. You know I think we can work with
the architect to resolve that.
Saul Gross
Okay, Bernardo. Is that okay with you, the way the
condition is?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
There is a concern about putting retail there because
it's worse to have retail that would be boarded up
and not have any takers.
William Medellin
No, Bernardo what I said was if you can't put
retaiL
Saul Gross
I think the retail in general is still going to be tough.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right.
Saul Gross
All the retail.
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William Medellin
Bernardo, though in terms of achieving visual
interest, I think it could be done without retail is my
point. If the board just wanted to let us work with
staff on it.
Speaker
Well yeah that's fine, I just don't want to create
something that's you know everyone's happy with
and force a change. Well what I can do is just delete
condition number I-F because that specifically talks
about retail. So if you delete that and then condition
number l-C just talks about adding visual interest it
doesn't specifically call out retail.
Saul Gross
Okay. AIl right. What else? Two is the
landscaping. We've added a condition that Douglas
and Bernardo agreed upon...
Douglas Duany
There shall be at least one palm tree per storefront
bay on the west elevation of the storefronts.
Saul Gross
Right, plus they were going to add a second tier of
tree species.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
That's right. We can do a double.
Saul Gross
A double, right. Why don't you articulate that in a
way that Tom can write it in a condition.
Douglas Duany
There shall be at least one palm tree and consisting
of a different species per store front bay on the
west.. .
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Saul Gross
No, that's not it. They're going to double them so
there's going to have one per bay...
Speaker
They'll be, the typing will term as alternating. My
main concern was shade actually. It doesn't have to
be...
Speaker
Okay one alternating palm tree per, okay, that's fine.
Saul Gross
Wait, wait, wait. I don't' think that's what they were
talking about.
Speaker
I think what we are referring to...
Saul Gross
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have at least one palm per bay.
Speaker
Right, but they're alternating.
Saul Gross
But I thought you wanted to double them.
Speaker
No, no, no. We talked about the precedent in
Beverly Hills...
Saul Gross
Are we alternating or doubling them?
Speaker
One, alternating.
Speaker
Alternating species, like one royal and one coconut.
Speaker
Or different heights.
Speaker
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
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Or different heights.
So we have greenery at different heights. They
interlock essentially.
Okay. Okay.
Yes, that's pretty good.
Anything else with the landscaping? Public art
and! or sculpture shall be incorporated around the
garden area to further extent refine these areas.
Douglas Duany
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Well the landscape architect should be here
explaining what, what things. Well, he should tell us
what he, what he wants modified and the conditions.
Well are you opposed to any of the conditions in
number 2?
Yeah.
Do any of the, are you opposed to any of them?
Mark Jacobson
Mark Jacobson with Bradshaw Giller & Associates
I'm a landscape architect. We've looked at all the
conditions and don't have a problem with any of
them. I would like to suggest when you talk about
the alternating palm species maybe could we
alternate the height?
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Mark Jacobson
Height, but not species?
Douglas Duany
Oh yeah on those, it's been explicit you can alternate
height. Yeah you can do that. My main concern
was shade in the sidewalk and a little bit of
<inaudible>
Saul Gross
Okay I got it. Now the next condition is the
concurrency condition.
Speaker
That's condition number four.
Saul Gross
You need to be on the mike, yeah. Speak on the
mike.
Speaker
We do have the option of having different species,
right?
Douglas Duany
Yeah, you have the option of species or height.
Saul Gross
Okay now the mitigation, there is no mitigation plan
at present, is that correct?
Speaker
That's right.
Saul Gross
There's no mitigation plan. So in order to get this
approved you have to present a mitigation plan
which is approved by the staff and then reported to
the commission.
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 66 of 75
I know. I know. I read it differently and I'd like to
have that objection for the statement part of this
record.
Okay that's duly noted.
So I just want to clarifY, it's not a contingent order,
it's an order with a condition which would be
satisfied. Which is different.
Right. Okay. Is it different?
Yeah.
All right, now. Did you want add something about
Carillon?
Yeah, one more addition, one. Keep the sign if you
could and also can we add.
Okay, wait, let's not be so glib. If you could is not
great language for these lawyers.
I haven't quite finished but one element would be
retain the sign and also work with...
The perforated eyebrow.
The eyebrow also, and then work with William and
Randall Robinson ofMDPL to preserve as many of
the architectural features of the building as can be
preserved.. .
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12,1998
Page 67 of75
Speaker
Well that's getting a little broad...
Speaker
Well let me just add, William are there any other
particular things that right now we should account
for and agree to?
William Medellin
Would want to retain the perforated west eyebrow,
also would like to retain at least the configuration of
the window pattern on the north, north face of the
building. Now I realize that you have to reframe it.
Saul Gross
It's impossible. It'll ruin his scheme.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
We have reorganized the rooms to meet new
standards of today. This hotel, I don't know if
you've visited, have you ever visited one of the
rooms?
Speaker
You can look into virtually every one from the
street.
Speaker
Okay, that's right.
Saul Gross
So, can you keep the perforated west eyebrow
Bernardo?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Yes.
Saul Gross
Can you keep the sign in some place in a manner to
be approved by staff?
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS AVENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 68 of75
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
No, I think we have to leave the flexibility. Today
it's Swiss Hotel and if 10 years from today it's
somebody else and I think Swiss Hotel is making a
substantial investment here and I think they have the
right to put the name on this building.
Saul Gross
Oh, they're going to put the name on the building.
Wait. That's a good point. Can they, can't we, is
there a problem with two signs that way?
Speaker
If it's determined to be, actually.
Saul Gross
Is the building identification.
Speaker
What is the building name, the original building
name which is the Carillon...
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
I'm concerned that my client is forced to make a
decision on something that's so critical on short
notice like this...
Saul Gross
I want him to have two signs there.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
... without having the ability to have, review their
marketing and how they're going to present this
project to the world and what is it. They should
have the time to think about it.
Speaker
Well the Lowes, I mean the Lowes Hotel, is a
Lowes Miami Beach hotel, however the St. Moritz
signage remains on the building.
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 69 of75
Speaker
Two different buildings.
Speaker
Just as it will on the Royal Palm and...
Speaker
Two different buildings.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker
But this is one building.
Speaker
But does the signage have to be this...
Saul Gross
There's supposed to be one building identification
sign under the ordinance.
Speaker
What I'm saying is that you have the historic
building name.
Saul Gross
I've been arguing that for four years.
Speaker
Which is the Carillon itself
Saul Gross
It never has won today.
Speaker
Which is the Carillon itself
Saul Gross
Right, and that's you know, remember we had that
problem with Eugene Rodriguez.
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
Saul Gross
Speaker
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 cOLLLINS AVENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 70 of75
Which is a part of the architecture.
Where we wanted to give him the Paris sign which is
in the Marquis and he wanted to put up whatever his
company's called, Big Time Productions. And you
were the one that argued that, ifI'm not mistaken
that the Paris was a sign for the building and he
couldn't have Big Time Productions. But I thought.
No, no. I just argued that the Paris sign would have
to be retained, that they can have Big Time
Productions, too. Remember we agreed that it
could be put down at a lower level and both signs
were approved.
Were they?
Yes.
Okay. That's because we insisted that that was
ridiculous that we couldn't have the historic sign
plus...
Absolutely. Except this is the historic sign.
Basically calligraphy. This is part of the
architecture.
Right, exactly.
Just like on the Lucerne, it will be the Howard
Johnson's, but they are putting Lucerne's back
because it's such a major part of the architecture of
that building.
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 71 of75
Saul Gross
I just don't want to send them to the zoning board
on this issue and I just want, Tom's looking it up. I
just want to make sure that they can have both signs.
It can be the Swiss Hotel at the Carillon or
whatever.
Speaker
If it is, I believe if it is identified by the Design
Review board as an important design element of the
building and a part of the original architecture of the
building there is a basis for allowing it to be
retained.
Saul Gross
Okay, let's just make sure, Tom's looking.
Meanwhile, let's see what other. So we're talking
about the sign, the perforated west eyebrow. Is
there anything else that's noteworthy in the west
facade that we want them to keep that they can
keep?
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But the sign is on the south facade. It's in the only
wall where you can ever put a name if we're going to
preserve the eyebrow. So, there would be no other
place for Swiss Hotel to put its name, that is, any
panel.
Saul Gross
But you have it there, right.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
The eyebrow is, I'm going to remove the eye.
Saul Gross
Where is the eyebrow? This perforated, famous
perforated eyebrow. Oh, so it's at the top ofthe
building. Don't break the model, it's not worth it.
Bernardo you need to speak into the mike. Need to
speak into the mike.
CTIY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 72 of75
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Saul Gross
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Speaker
Saul Gross
William
If you look at the picture in the post card you'll see
that there's only one place where there's a solid wall
where you can put the name of the hotel, that's
where the word Carillon fills it up edge to edge. Up,
down in all directions. If I have to keep that sign
there's no other place for Swiss hotel to put its
name. Basically because I'm going to remove this
parapet to review the eyebrow.
What if they take a picture of the sign and put a
plaque in the lobby.
No, no, no.
Or what about put the sign in the bar, you know and
reconstruct it in the bar and say this is the Carillon
Bar and that was...
That would be very cool. Can you put...
Saul, they want it, they will put the Carillon sign in
addition to the Swiss Hotel sign in the parapet.
Excuse me.
Wait one at a time, hold on. Let's hear what they
have to say about the sign issue.
The planning and zoning director has said that
because the building is not in the historic district and
is not a historic building or historic sign that..
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 73 of75
Lucia Dougherty
Lucia, Bernardo, is somebody listening because
William is giving an explanation on sign.
William
Because the building is not in the historic district and
is not individually designated the way that the
zoning ordinance currently reads, it's not possible to
require that the sign be retained but he would like
for it to remain a condition if possible and that is
what the condition will say that the sign be retained
if possible pending further interpretation of the
signage section of the zoning ordinance.
Saul Gross
Okay, that was the problem with the Paris, too.
Because it wasn't in the historic district, because it
was between the Sand and 6th Street.
William
I can't fecall whether the Paris was approved befofe
or after the district designation. It is in the Ocean
Beach historic district, but I can't recall.
Saul Gross
I think it was before then.
William
It was there because it was in the historic district.
Speaker
What if they relocate this sign somewhere else...
Saul Gross
Okay in a manner to be approved by Staff.
Speaker
Yeah, a manner approved by staff
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
But I want to be sure they have the ability to
relocate the sign....
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS A VENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12,1998
Page 74 of75
Speaker
Tom has suggested language.
Tom
Saul, how about this, the existing Carillon sign shall
be retained and preserved if possible or relocated to
another part of the site. Are you comfortable with
that?
Saul Gross
That's fine.
Speaker
Well.
Speaker
Okay as approved by staff
Speaker
As approved by Bernardo.
Saul Gross
Don't put as approved by staff They'll figure out a
place for it as long as it's not in the basement, that'll
be fine.
Speaker
Okay, I think we've got everything.
Saul Gross
Okay, so that's Nick's motion, is there a second to
that motion. Seconded by Peter Blitstein, all in
favor say aye.
Design Review Board
Aye.
Saul Gross
Nay? Okay, it's approved unanimously. Good luck.
Bernardo Fort-Brescia
Thank you very much.
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
FILE No. 9796 - 6801 COLLLINS AVENUE - THE CARILLON HOTEL
MAY 12, 1998
Page 75 of 75
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BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI.ANNlTAL REPORT.T!me
COMMlTIEE NAME:
Fllshinn. Fi'm. Televigion IlL Recordil'li Cnrnmittll!Je
CBAIRl'ERSON:
Karen Da.vis.
CIT\' LIAISON:
Robert Reboso
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
s~ (7)
ACTIVrl'\'~
Mission Statement:
To benefit the City of Miami Beam by addreslting the needs and concerns of the production industry
encouraging the expansion and well-being of the fashion, film, television and recording industries by
making recommendations to the City Commission.
Goal and Objectives:
To c:duMine and demonstrate to the City and its residential and business communities the benefits of
the entertainment and production industries to the City's economic well-being.
ACCQMPI.lSHMENTS:
Fme tune and reviao the Committee's Mission Statement.
Establish the Committee's Goals and Objectives.
Created a work: plan and increased budget proposal for and in conjunction with the Office of Arts,
Culture and Enlertainment for liSCH! year 1998/99.
Chairpenon bas met individually with the Mayor and City Commissioners to discuss the Committee's
work plan, answer questions and discuss the futw'~ of the entertainment industry.
Met with tbe ChaiIperson of the Miami-Oade Film. Print and Oroadcast Advisory Board to diSQJss
future coUabor4tive ways to advertise aud market our communities and enhance government services
to the industry.
Met with the Cuhural Arts Council to help develop the Council's CUltural Arts Master Plan and insure
the entertainment industry's inclusion in the plan.
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Monitor the progress of Mayor Kawin'!t proposal for F.I.U. to conduct an economic impact study.
Met with the Comru Company to hear a presentation on the proposed Miami Beach Studio City
project.
Passed a Rcsoll.&tion rC(l()nunendi~ that the Mayor and City Commission issue an RFP calling for a
project that would meet the needs of the Entertainment Jndustry
Monitor and participate in the planning process fur the issuance of 811 RFP on three City owned land
pll'ce1s.
SchedlJled a Roundtable meeting (public hearing) on July 8, 1998 to gather input from the
entertainment industries regarding their needs.
Passed a Resolution recomID.CnWng that the Mayor and City Commission amend Miami BCl.\Ch City
Code Section 39-9, entitled lITemporary Obstructions of public right-of-way ~ permit required.
e;1.imioatiJI& the; roquiranc:nt of iJ permit fur filming I1I1d ~ial events.
I'IITU 1Ir. Al."TIVITlr..s~
Continue to galhm- information and develop a implementation plan to achieve the Committee's Ooal
and Objectives.
Continue to monitor and participate in the budget process for fiscal year t 998/99.
Contipue to wurk with the MiauIi-Dade t'ilm. Print and Brnadcast Advisory Board.
Continue to wod.: with the Cultural Arts Couneil.
Continue to monitor the progress ufthe proposed F.LU. economic impact study.
Develop an Entertainment Industry Needs Assessmenl report for the CitY ofMtami Beach.
Continue to monitor and participate in the planning process for the issuance of an RFP on three City
awned laDd paKCls.
NO REPORT SUBMITTED
FINE ARTS BOARD
BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - ~~ l.D
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
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FLOOD PLAIN MANA~~J;,r..", ,..
BOARD -., .J._.....,,\ ~ OrfICE
CHAIRPERSON:
JOY MALAKOFF
CITY LIAISON:
PHILIP AZAN (APRIL HIRSCH,
SECRETARY TO THE BOARD)
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: (1998) 1
ACTIVITY :
The Flood Plain Management Board hears cases where an applicant's property requires
a flood plain variance.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To hear and render decisions on cases, as applicable.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Since this Board was created approximately 5 years ago, the number of cases has been
minimal.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To continue to hear Flood Plain Management cases, as necessary.
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NO REPORT SUBMITTED
GOLF ADVISORY BOARD
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
CITY HALL 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE MIAMI BEACH. FLORIDA 33139
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OFFICES OF HUMAN RESOURCES. RISK MANAGEMENT &
LABOR RELA nONS
Telepbone: (305) 673-7000. Ext. 6511 or 6512
Fax: (305) 673-7023 or 673-7529
June 19, 1998
William Shaw, Chairperson
Health Advisory Committee
Miami Heart Institute, 1st Floor
4701 N. Meridian Avenue
Miami Beach, FL 33140
Dear Chairperson Shaw:
Subject:
Health Advisory Committee/Bi-Annual Report
In accordance with Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2, Requirements, Subsection (m),
attached is a Bi-Annual Report Form.
Please complete the form and submit it to the City Clerk's Office by Friday, July 3,1998,
in the attached envelope, so that the Health Advisory Committee's report may be included
with the Letter to Commission (LTC) to the City Commission for the City's other Boards and
Committees' Bi-Annual Reports.
For your convenience, we have prepared a suggested report for your review and
consideration.
Thank you for your attention and cooperation in this matter.
Sincerel . /. .
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
HEALTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CHAIRPERSON: DR. WIllIAM SHAW
RICHARD W. BENDER
CITY LIAISON: EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO CITY MANAGER
(2) April 13, 1998 and
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: June 19, 1998
ACTIVITIES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
4/13/98 - The Committee selected a Chairperson, Dr. William Shaw, and a Secretary,
Dr. Dalia Garcia. Additional business was to review RFP No. 42-97;02, for providing
comprehensive medical evaluations, medical records retention, psychiatric service,
immunization program, drug/alcohol testing program, wellness program, employee
assistance program, and provide evaluation and treatment for Workers' Compo claims for
City of Miami Beach employees and provided recommendations.
6/19/98 - The Committee reviewed the summary matrix prepared for the proposals received
in response to RFP No. 42-97/02, and provided its recommendation.
An additional item discussed at the 6/19/98 meeting was a memo from Richard Bender
indicating that the Humana Health Care rates for Rscal Year 1998/1999 would be increased
by 12% for the PPO, 2.5% for the POS, and 2.5% for the HMO. The Committee was
advised that the City's Benefit Services Division's Broker of Record, Arthur J. Gallagher,
had assessed the reasonableness of the rate adjustment and advised that Humana's
proposal was in line with industry trends.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
Meet on an as neededlwhen needed basis for the purpose of reviewing and advising the
Administration and the City Commission regarding all matters that relate to the efficient and
balanced health care for the citizens and visitors of Miami Beach. Provide private sector
input and recommendationsto the City Administration and City Commission for the future
development of health care in our community.
BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL. REPORT FORM - PAGE 1 of 2
BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
CHAIRPERSON:
CITY LIAISON:
HEALTH FACILITIES AUTHORITY
LARRY HUDSON
PATRICIA D. WALKER
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
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ACTIVITY:
The conunittee meets on a as needed basis and has not met this year.
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The conunittee will meet when needed.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
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Hispanic Affairs Committee
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Ms. Nadatte Rodriquez
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where the community will be invited to partici ate.
Re resentatives from Procurement will be invite
so we will monitor the situation and do everthing possible
to improve the numbers.
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NO REPORT SUBMITTED
HISTORIC PRESERVERA TION BOARD
CITY HALL 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA 33139
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE
TELEPHONE: 673-7411
DATE:
JUNE 16, 1998
TO:
CITY LIAISION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
ROBERT PARCHER cr
CITY CLERK
FROM:
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SUBJECT: BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
Chairperson or his/her designee shall bi-armually submit a completed written report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
Thank You
REP:eg
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
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CHAIRPERSON:
CITY LIAISON:
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NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: ()
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
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CHAIRPERSON:
GEORGE PSOMOPOULOS. SUNTRUST. N.A.
CITY LIAISON:
MIGUELL DEL CAMPILLO. HOUSING COORD.
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
ACTIVITY:
Committee met on June 12, 1998, and elected George Psomopoulos, V.P. of SunTrust, N.A. as
Chairperson. The Committee then reviewed and recommended approval of an application for
funding under the Multi-family Housing Rehabilitation Program. The Committee also
considered five applications submitted in response to the HOME Notice of Funding
Availability (NOF A). One of the applicants, DEEDCO, Inc. was recommended to receive funds
under this program.
NOTE: Four of the seven committee members were appointed in March. Subsequently,
three meetings were scheduled, due to the three committee vacancies, it was difficult to
achieve a quorum. As a result, only one meeting was held.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The Committee plans to meet monthly, or as required for the balance of the year.
The Committee Liaison continues to seek eligible candidates for Committee membership.
BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 of 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
The Committee reviewed and recommended approval of an application for funding under
the Multi-family Housing Rehabilitation Program. The Committee also considered
five applications submitted in response to the HOME Notice of Funding Availability.
One of the applicants, DEEDCO, Inc. was recommended to receive funds under this program.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The Committee plans to meet monthly, or as required for the balance of the year.
NO REPORT SUBMITTED
MARINE AUTHORITY
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
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Interoffice Memorandum
To:
Robert Parcher
City Clerk
Marla Sherman~as )~~
Staff Liaison / /l/; /
Date: July 1, 1998
From:
Subject: Biannual Report for COSW
In response to your memo dated June 16, 1998, the attached report was completed by COSW
Chairperson Regina Suarez. Also, attached is a summary of attendance at the meetings from
January 1998 through June 1998. Please advise if any additional information is needed.
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
Comud!':!':;nn nn thp St:'ltll!,; of Women
CHAIRPERSON:
Regina Suarez
CITY LIAISON:
Marla Dumas
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
ACTIVITY:
Monthly meetings - January 22, 1998, February 10, 1998, March
~ 10, 1998, April, 14, 1998, May 12, 1998
June 9, 1998
Speakers - Topics
Ivonne Mesa, Director DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Miami-Dade Intake Unit
Laura Varela - Director Florida Constitutional Revisions
~~am~-Dade Commission on AMMENDMENT 9 - EQUAL RIGHTS
t IP :t:'ltus of Women
Jacque Hertz, Chair, CRB We Are MJ.amJ. .tleacn uct:ODer evenl..
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
Monthlv meetings July, September, October, November, December
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAr-e REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Womem's History Month Event - Women Worth Knowing
Recognized five local women
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
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Chairperson or his/her designee shall bi-annually submit a completed written report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
CHAIRPERSON:
CITY LIAISON:
Cultural Arts Council
I. Stanley Levine
Ronnie Singer
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
ACTIVITY:
Develop attached master plan through numErous planning ses:sionE.
, City Commission
Plan adopted by
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
Administer Grants Program ( .kIP ~ I ~ ....;r~,.. A- T[)I.\(..l~ 1) ')
Begin joint cultural marketing effort
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Attached Master Plan
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Grants Program
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Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
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Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
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PARK & RECREATIONAL FACILITIES BOARD
BOARDS AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REP t)\GE 1 of 2
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME: Plannin~~~~~ ERK'S OFF\CE
CHAIRPERSON:
Melvyn Schlesser
CITY LIAISON:
Dean Grandin
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
8 (5 regular & 3 workshops)
ACTIVITY:
The Planning evaluates policies required to guide the direction and type of future development
and expansion of the City. It conducts public hearings to consider any and all matters referred
to it by the City Commission and submits its findings to the Commission. It considers applica-
tions pertaining to Conditional Use permits, Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance, changes of
Zoning District boundaries and Comprehensive Plan amendments. It makes appropriate
studies regarding Land Use, Development and Public Facilities. The Planning Board also acts
as the Local Planning Agency (LPA) as per state statutes.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
The Planning Board currently has planned the continuation of a public hearing regarding pro-
posed zoning changes, rezoning areas of the City and reducing maximum building heights and
Floor Area Ratios (FAR's). The Board also has an upcoming workshop regarding Alcoholic
Beverage Regulations and Special Events in the City. Several Conditional Use applications are
before the Board, and proposed changes to the Zoning Ordinance will be heard.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
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Earlier this year, the Board held a series of workshops in regards to proposed zoning changes,
which have resulted in extensive proposals to change the zoning map and zoning regulations.
These proposals will be voted on at the July 20th public hearing. The Planning Board also has
made determinations on several Conditional Use and Lot Split applications as well as giving
recommendations to the Commission on proposed Zoning Ordinance amendments regarding
Parking Lots, Liquor Regulations, the Presumption of Equitable Estoppel, the elimination of
Design Bonuses for FAR's and other Land Use and Development issues.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
see above
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Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
PROPERTY MAIN,TrE~~~~S OFFICE
STANDARDS APPEALS1j8ARn
CHAIRPERSON:
JOY MALAKOFF
CITY LIAISON:
AL CHILDRESS
(APRIL HmSCH, SECRETARY TO THE
BOARD)
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY: (1998) NONE
ACTIVITY :
The Property Maintenance Standards Appeals Board rules on cases involving property owners
who have received a violation from a Code Enforcement Officer and are aggrieved by the
determination of that officer in issuing said violation, thereby appealing that violation to the
Board.
The property owner and/or a representative, present the case to the Board, and the Code
Enforcement Officer also provides testimony. The Board then renders a decision either
upholding or denying the appeal.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To continue hearing property maintenance cases, when requested.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAL REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
There have been only a few cases (less than a dozen) since this Board was created
approximately 15 years ago.
FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
To continue as necessary,
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305 3712423 P. 02/03
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CHAIRPERSON:
T. Neil F-ritz
CITY LIAISON:
JAcq~eliDc Gonzalez
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JAN11ARV:
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Held Committee Orieutation session to orient new members to the progress
made dhring the past 2 years by the previous Committee; elected Officers;
reviewed S~n8h1nc Amendment/Code of ~th1cs; discussed Committee procedures;
set regular meetings.
F.UTURE ACTOOTIES'
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Review and refine Committee Mission Statement; review Commission Ordinance
creating Tran9portation and Parking Committee.
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Facilitated the public input process for the MUDicipal Plan, including three
public Dleetings held in North Beach, Mid-Beach, and South Beach; participate<
in the selection process fo-r ranking respondente to the RFP for private-
sector parking facilities; par~1cipated in the selection process for ranking
respondents to the RFP for new parkin~ meters; reviewed and recommended
amend:mem:s to the Valet Ordinance; reviewed and recommended Lincoln Road
Unified Valet Pilot Pro~ram: discussed amendaents to the Towin~/I~bilizati<
Ordinatfce.
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FUTURE ACl1VITIES:
Approval and recommendation of the Municipal Mobility Plan; review of
Residential Permit llroj;traIn; assist Parking DeDartaent in develo1)Jllent of a
marketing program for Electronic Meter Debit Cards.
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CITY HALL 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA 33139
OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE
TELEPHONE: 673-7411
DATE:
JUNE 16, 1998
TO:
CITY LIAISION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
ROBERT PARCHER cr
CITY CLERK
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SUBJECT: BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
Chairperson or his/her designee shall bi-annually submit a completed written report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
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Interoffice Memorandum
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To:
Robert Parcher
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Date: August II, 1998
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Tourism and Convention Coordinator
Chief of Protocol
Subject: BI-ANNUAL REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES
I apologize for being so tardy in responding to your request, but as you can see, we just finished all
of the information included the first part of August.
If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
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BOARD OR COMMITTEE NAME:
Miami Beach Visitors and Convention Authorit
Lisa Cole, Public Relations Director
Fontainebleau Hilton, 305-535-3226
Michael Aller, Tourism & Convention
Coordinator/Chief of Protocol
CHAIRPERSON:
CITY LIAISON:
NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD SINCE JANUARY:
ACTIVITY:
Please see Mission Statement, Objecti ves and Criteria
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
Wednesday, August 5, 1998 through Friday, August 28, 1998.
BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUAItf REPORT FOR1\( - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
The vear 1998/1999 actually does not start until October 1, 199~
and ooes through September 30, 1999.
Miami Beach visitors and Convention Authority has had meetings
to put out guidelines and timetables, the application form and
the mission statement.
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FUTURE ACTIVITIES:
We will notify you on a bi-annual basis if you require that.
Please inform.
Respectfully submitted.
Michael Aller, Tourism & Convention Coordinator/Chief of Protoc
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Miami Beach Visitor and Convention Authority
Mission Statement
The Miami Beach Visitor and Convention Authority' $ (YeA) mission is to support, maintain and
develop quality programs which generate, satisfy and enhance the year round tourist
attractiveness of Miami Beach.
Objectives and Criteria
The veA encouniges. develops and promotes the image of Miami Beach locally. nationally and
internationally as a vibrant community and tourist destination.
The VCA strategically invests its resources en a balanced manner, fostering existing programs,
stimulating new activities, encouraging pannerships, and contributing to the uniqueness of Miami
Beach. Through the careful allocation of resources and its overall portfolio of programs, the
VCA ~upports the continued growth of Miami Beach as a tourist destination.
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July 27, 1998
CUL TURAL AFFAIRS COUNCIL
SUITE 625
111 NW. 1st STREET
MIAMI. FLORIDA 33128.1964
Michael Spring
Executive Director
TELEPHONE: (305) 375-4634
FAX: 375.3068
TO: Lisa Cole, Chair
and Members,
Miami Beach Visitor and Convention Authority
FROM: Michael Spring, Executive Direct~t rPtad. )pMno/~
Miami-Dade Cultural Affairs Cou~ciIv-rr . , 0
SUBJECT: Draft Timetable
In order to proceed with the advertisement and distribution of these materials, the following timetable is
proposed for your discussion and review:
Thursday, July 30
VCA Meeting to review and finalize Guidelines and Application Forms
Wednesday, August 5
Mailing of Guidelines and Application Forms
Weekend, August 7
Legal Advertisements
Friday, August 28, 4 PM
Annual Deadline:
Category I - Tourism Partnerships
Category II - Special Events (Recurring)
1 st Deadline:
Category ill - Special Events (New or First-Time)
Category IV - Major One-Time Events
Category V - Development Opportunities
Please note that Categories III, IV and V will have ongoing monthly
deadlines with the requirement that applications must be submitted at least
45 days prior to an upcoming VCA meeting for scheduled review at that
meeting.
Thursday, September 24
VCA Review Meeting
F or the purposes of maintaining reliable deadline and meeting review schedule, it is recommended that the
VCA establish a regular monthly meeting schedule (e.g. the 4th Thursday of each month at 9:00 AM).
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY CULTURAL AFFAIRS COUNCIL
GUIDELINES AND TIMETABLE
1998-99 CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT GRANTS PROGRAM
FOR THE NEEDS OF CUL TURAL ORGANIZATIONS
The Cultural Affairs Council is pleased to announce the eleventh year of the CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT GRANTS
PROGRAM for the needs of cultural organizations, Initially funded by a major three year grant of $300,000 from tht;,
National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) Locals Program and designed to be matched by county, municipal and private
funds, this program has as its primary purpose providing support to not-for-profit. tax exempt cultural organizations tu
purchase, renovate and/or equip neighborhood-based cultural facilities. At the discretion of the Program Panel and the
Council, only a limited number of facilities planning projects and neighborhood-based extension facilities of Miami-Dade">
major institutions may be eligible for consideration during this year.
The Council encourages applications from primarily small and medium-sized organizations whose growth depends OJ:
access to and control of adequate facilities for optimum implementation of programs, These programs must be accessibk
and promoted to the general public, Facilities improvement projects should be designed to improve the artistic capabilitit;~
of and/or the audience ability to experience programs in the applicant facilities. Priority will be given to existing facilitin
that submit applications for projects to implement improvements regulated by the Americans with Disabilities Ac'
(ADA). In the interest of ensuring that cultural organizations have the resources to adequately plan for their capital
needs, the Capital Development Grants Program will consider a limited number of requests for funds to conduct
facilities planning andfeasibility studies.
This cycle of the Capital Development Grants Program is scheduled to fund projects taking place between October ]
1998 and September 30, 1999. All funding recommendations are contingent on Board of County Commissioners approval
of the Cultural Affairs Council's 1998-99 budget.
REVIEW CRITERIA
Grants are awarded on a competitive basis to eligible organizations. . In addition to meeting all of the technicai
requirements of the application, the Capital Development Grants Program Panel will evaluate applicants in light of the
following criteria:
total funds available
targeted geographic distribution of grant funds
benefit to the general public
accessibility to other cultural organizations of the facilities under consideration
matching funds committed to the project
proposed use of grant funds
management. programming and marketing capabilities of the applicant
organization
All funded facilities must provide equal access and equal opportunity in employment and services and may not
discriminate on the basis of handicap, ethnicity, culture, creed, religion, gender or sexual orientation. Additionally.
programs and facilities must make every effort to significantly comply with the mandate of the Americans with Disabilities
Act (ADA), the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Section 504 of that Act.
ELIGiBILITY
Applicants must qualify as a political subdivision of Dade County or one of its municipalities or be a not-for-profit 501
(c)(3) cultural organization which controls or intends to purchase a building in Dade County.
Organizations having received previous years' funding from this program are eligible to apply. Organizations can apply
to the Capital Development Grants Program only once a year.
Programs in facilities for which grants have been provided must be accessible and promoted to the general public.
DEADLINE:
Applications must be received by Thursday, August 20 at 4 p.m. Postmarks are not
acceptable.
SUBMIT TO:
CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT GRANTS PROGRAM
Miami-Dade County Cultural Affairs Council
III N.W. First Street, Suite 625
Miami, Florida 33128
Attn.: Rem Cabrera
Applicants must meet requirements outlined and must schedule an appointment with Council staff prior to making
application. Please contact Rem Cabrera at 305-375-5019 for further information and assistance.
GRANT REQUIREMENTS
. Letters of commitment of matching funds from municipality or from organization's board
. ArchitecturallEngineering Study
. A minimum two (2) year facility management plan and budget
. Maximum possible public and/or private match
. Control of facility (ownership or a lease of a minimum of 5 years)
. Preferred attention will be given to organizations with at least one full-time paid employee
. Applications requesting funding support for portable equipment will be taken on a case-by-case basis
TERMS OF MATCHING FUNDS
The matching terms of the Capital Development Grants Program are designed to act as a catalyst for organizations to
obtain increased levels of local government (e.g" municipal) and applicant organization funds. This establishes a targeted
dollar for dollar match from the municipality or jurisdiction in which the facility is located and from the applicant
organization to be eligible for the county grant funds.
The applicant organization is encouraged to secure local government/municipal funding participation as part of the
targeted match for grant funds. Applicant organizations can use funds derived from earned and contributed income
including foundation, private sector and other public sector capital improvement funds to satisfy the "applicant
organization" portion of the match.
All grant and matching funds involved in construction projects supported through the Capital Development Grants
Program are subject to compliance with provisions of applicable laws, regulations and rules.
MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM GRANT AWARD
Per project. the maximum total county grant award can be $50,000 and would require a minimum match of$50,000.
Minimum grant awards usually will not be less than $5,000 and will require the same above-mentioned matching
requirements,
July 13, 1998
July 13, 1998
to
August 18, 1998
August 20, 1998
4:00 p.m.
October 22, 1998
October 28, 1998
January 1999
TIMETABLE
Guidelines and Application Forms Available
Consultation with Council Staff
All applicants must call the Council office to schedule the required
meeting with staff during this period. Staff may request a
walk-through of applicant's facility.
GRANT APPLICATION DEADLINE. A facility walk-through by
panelists will be required before the Panel Evaluation.
Panel meets to review applications.
Cultural Affairs Council Formal Review of Panel Recommendations
Board of County Commissioners Final Approval
All funding recommendations are contingent on Board of County Commissioners approval of the
Cultural Affairs Council 1998/99 Budget.
Additional meetings of the Grant Program Panel may be called throughout the year as needed.
The Capital Development Grants Program Guidelines and Application are available on audio cassette or in large print upon
request. Persons who are hearing impaired may request an interpreter for the required consultation and/or panel meeting
giving five work days written notice prior to the scheduled date.
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MIAMI-DADE COUNTY CULTURAL AFFAIRS COUNCIL
GRANT APPLICA nON
1998-99 CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT GRANTS PROGRAM
FOR THE NEEDS OF CULTURAL ORGANIZA nONS
Please refer to the attached Guidelines and Timetable and complete this form fully. Submit one (1) original with one
set of attachments outlined in section # 14 plus nineteen (19) copies of the application with attachments outlined in
sections # 12 and # 13 on or before 4:00 p.m. AU1!ust 20. 1998.
Please type responses clearly:
M10UNT REQUESTED $
NAME OF FACILITY:
I. Application Organization:
Address:
City, State, Zip Code:
2. Year Legally Established:
3. Federal Employer I.D. Number:
Miami-Dade County Commission District
State:
Telephone/Fax:
Federal I.D. #
U.S. Congressional District
Florida State House District
Title:
Florida State Senate District
4. Contact Person:
Address (if different):
City, State, Zip Code:
5. Organization's Primary Activity:
Telephone/F ax:
6. Present Number of Paid Employees:
7. Property Profile:
Name of Facility:
Address of Facility:
City, State, Zip Code:
Municipality:
General Specifications of the Facility:
a) Date Constructed:
b) Facility's Configuration and Dimensions Including Square Footage:
Projected Number After Project Completed:
Telephone:
c) Current Condition:
d) Status of Existing Equipment:
e) Other information:
Neighborhood Revitalization Impact:
8. Bank \\'bere Organization has Account (s):
Type of Account( s):
Savings
Checking
Other
Acct. No.
Acct. No.
Address:
Acct. No.
9. Credit References (List Credit Sources):
Name/Address:
Account Number
a)
b)
10. Maturities of Outstanding Loans:
Financial Institution! Loan No:
Address/Amount
Terms (Fixed Variable)
a)
b)
c)
11. Are you currently applying for or have you ever received a loan or grant for capital improvements? (use additional
sheets as necessary)
Source/Purpose Loan/Grant Year Amount
a)
b)
c)
12.
Brief Analysis of Use of Grant and Matching Funds:
Grant Funds
Matching Funds
a) Permanent Equipment
b) Rehabilitation
$
$
$
$
$
$
$
$
$
$
c) Purchase of Facility
d) Other (specify):
e) Subtotal
f) Total (Grant Funds plus Matching Funds) $
REVENUE SUMMARY:
g) Total Grant Request $
h) Amount of Municipal Matching Funds $
(if applicable - may be equal to at least 1/2 of Total Grant Request)
i) Amount of Organization's Matching Funds $
(should be equal to at least 1/2 of Total Grant Request)
j) Total Project Budget (should be equal to l.1fJ $
. ........-.....,,-., _40~
13. PROJECT DESCRIPTION (Attach no more than one page for each of the following items to the original and to
each of the 19 copies of the application). Please headline each section:
a) Brief description of purchase, rehabilitation, equipment and/or facility planning aspects
b) Cultural needs and audiences project will serve
c) Summary of prior equipment purchases and/or capital improvement work to facility. Describe progress as a
result of prior Cultural Affairs Council capital development grants. Please include an outline offuture capital
improvements beyond this project.
d) Outline of facility/equipment management plan
(address staff and job responsibilities. and statement regarding policies for facility/equipment use and
accessibility to the general public and to other cultural organizations)
e) Outline of facility/equipment progranuning plan
(address kinds of programs and projects andfrequency offacility/equipment use: please provide SUPport
materials documentinrz the organization's artistic directions and goals) ,
f) Outline offacility marketing plan (address amount offunds budgeted. media placement & public relations
plan)
g) ArchitecturaVengineering study and/or equipment specifications/price quotes
h) History and description of organization
i) ADA Supplement (attached)
14. BUDGET INFORMATION (Attach the following items to the original and to each of the 19 copies of the
application):
a) Organization' s complete financial statement for last completed year
b) Organization's total budget for current year (1998-99)
c) Projected facility operating budget for two years (1998-99 and 1999-2000)
d) Detailed project budget identifying exact use of grant and matching funds
15. PLEASE AITACH ONE COpy OF EACH OF THE FOLLOWING TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION
ONLY:
a) IRS letter of Tax-exempt status
b) List of Board Members. Please identify any members of the Board who are county employees
c) Letters of commitment of matching funds from municipality or from organization' s Board
d) Copy of existing or proposed lease; copy of title or purchase agreement, copy of any other financial
arrangements under this transaction
15. I DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, ALL OF THE INFORMATION
CONTAINED IN THIS APPLICATION AND THESE ATTACHMENTS IS TRUE, COMPLETE AND
CORRECT, AND FURTHER I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ALL OF THE MATERIAL CONTAINED
HEREIN WILL BE PUBLIC AND STAND PERMANENTL Y AS PUBLIC RECORD.
AU1HORlZING
SIGNATURE:
TITLE:
1YPED OR PRINTED NAME OF SIGNER:
DATE:
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MIAMI-DADE COUNTY CUL TURAL AFFAIRS COUNCIL
III N.W. FIRST STREET, SUITE 625, MIAMI, FLORlDA 33128
All funding recommendations are contingent on Board of County Commissioners approval of the Cultural Affairs Council :5
1998-99 budget.
Programs/Projects which receive funding from this program must include the following credit in all promotional marketing
materials related to this grant, including public announcements, press releases, programs, print and broadcast media. ThIS
project is supported by a grant from the Miami-Dade County Cultural Affairs Council and the Miami-Dade County
Board of County Commissioners.
Council programs are made possible with the support of the National Endowment for the Arts, the State of Florida through
the Florida Department of State. Division of Cultural Affairs and the Florida Arts CounciL as well as from the John S. and
James L. Knight Foundation, and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation for its Cultural Renewal Initiative.
Miami-Dade County provides equal access and equal opportunity in employment and services and does not discriminate on
the basis of disability in its programs or services. This document is available in alternative format by calling the Cultura:
Affairs Council at (305) 375-4634.
Please be advised that as a recipient of Miami-Dade County grant funds you are required by law to provide equal access
and equal opportunity in employment and not discriminate on the basis of disability in your programs or services,
MIAMI BEACH VISITOR & CONVENTION AUTHORITY
1998-99
Tourism Advancement Program
APPLICATION FORM
Please submit one (1) original and nineteen (19) copies of the completed application form and
applicable attachments to the Miami-Dade Cultural Affairs Council, 111 N. W. 1st Street, Suite 625,
Miami, Florida 33128 by the required deadline date.
Indicate One Program Category for Your Application (Program Categories are outlined in the VCA
Guidelines; Council Staff will provide organizations guidance with Category detenninations):
LJ Tourism Partnerships
LJ Major One-Time Event
LJ Special Events (Recurring) LJ Special Events (New or First-Time)
LJ Development Opportunities
1. APPLICANT ORGANIZATION
Title of Program
Amount Requested $
Location(s) of Program
Date(s) of Program
Alternate Date(s) If Program Is Canceled By Weather, etc.
Cancellation Insurance
Yes
No
Organization Address
City
Telephone:
Year Legally Established
For Profit Not-for-Profit
State
FAX
State of Incorporation
Federal 1.0.#
Zip Code
2. GRANT WRITER/CONTACT PERSON
Address
City
Daytime Telephone:
State
Zip Code
FAX:
Page 1 / 1998-99 VCA Application Form
3. List any other 1998-99 VCA Awards
List VCA Awards for 3 Prior Years:
FY Organization Project Budget VCA Funding Project/Event
Budget
1997-98
1996-97
1995-96
4. List previous public sector grant requests and awards, other than VCA, received in the last three
years from Miami-Dade Cultural Affairs Council, Municipal, State or Federal agencies (use
additional page if necessary):
Year Grants Program Amount Amount Awarded
Requested
5. A. Area of Miami Beach In Which Activity Takes Place:
South Beach Middle Beach
North Beach
(55th St. & above)
(Lincoln Road & below)
(17th St.- 55th St.)
B. Voting Districts of Organization:
Miami-Dade County Commission District # State Congressional District #
State Senate District # Federal Congressional District #
(for assistance, please call the Miami-Dade Elections Dept. at 305-375-4600)
Page 2/1998-99 VCA Application Form
6. PROGRAM DESCRIPTION
Please cover: 1) description of the program, including the number of activities, key participants,
and the significance nationally and/or internationally; 2) specific location(s); (3) the markets and
audiences to be served; (4) why your program should receive pUblic funding from the VCA; (5) how
you would allocate any VCA funds awarded at this time (this allocation must match itemized
requests on Application page 10)
Page 3/1998-99 VCA Application Form
7. TOURISM IMPACT
A. Describe the program's capability to develop and promote the image of Miami Beach as a
sophisticated destination with excellent tourism attractions and outstanding visitor services.
B. Explain how this program addresses the need for off-season and holiday activities.
C. Explain how this program will help expand the impact of tourism into under-developed
geographic areas of Miami Beach.
Page 4/1998-99 VCA Application Form
8. PROMOTIONAL AND MARKETING PLAN
A. List the specific methods to be used in promoting this project regionally, nationally and/or
internationally. Please reference the required attachment of a detailed Marketing/Media Plan and
indicate with an asterisk which expenses are prioritized for VCA funding support.
B. Describe any previous experience and track record for in carrying out the same or comparable
program, especially in regard to your demonstrated track record for generating significant national
and/or international publicity and visitorship.
C. Describe commitments secured to produce tourism benefits including but not limited to
television coverage/distribution, media sponsorships, etc. Please mention specifically whether this
project is a TV origination.
Page 5 /1998-99 VCA Application Form
9. State the projected attendance to the program
Admission: Free
Gated
Price Range
Percentage of TouristsNisitors
Percentage of Local Residents from Miami Beach
Please Provide More Specific Demographic Breakdown of Attendees If Available:
Number of hotel room nights reserved for your project
(attach copy of hotel confirmation)
Upon what do you base your projections?
10.Describe your organization's efforts to comply with the Americans with. Disabilities Act in its
programs and facilities. Be specific. Describe special equipment, availability of interpreters or
facility renovations that serve to meet Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) compliance. Describe
marketing logos or other strategies that indicate that program/facility are accessible to persons with
disabilities.
Page 6/1998-99 VCA Application Form
11. Be sure to contact the appropriate agency for support in the neighborhood in which your project is
planned. All support letter(s) must be sent directly to your organization for attachment to this
application.
Ocean Drive Improvement Association
760 Ocean Drive Suite 9
Miami Beach 33139
531-9478 FAX 531-8663
Miami Design Preservation League
P.O. Box 190180
Miami Beach 33119
672-1836 FAX 672-4319
Miami Beach Development Corp.
1205 Drexel A venue
Miami Beach 33139
538-0090 FAX 531-8804
Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce
1920 Meridian
Miami Beach 33139
672-1270 FAX 538-4336
North Beach Development Corp.
300 71st Street Suite 502
Miami Beach 33141
865-4147 FAX 865-4175
Greater Miami & the Beaches Hotel Assoc.
407 Lincoln #10 G
Miami Beach 33139
531-3553 FAX 531-8954
Middle Beach Partnership
Colonial Bank
301 41 st Street 3rd Floor
Miami Beach 33140
535-9441 FAX 535-9240
Lincoln Road Marketing
301 41st Street c/o MBDC
1205 Drexel A venue
Miami Beach 33139
672-0078 FAX 538-0064
South Pointe Advisory Board
c/o Development and Historic Preservation
1700 Convention Center Drive
Miami Beach .33139
673-7193 FAX 673-7772
Page 7 /1998-99 VCA Application Form
12.C/TY SERVICES
Applicant Organization
Program
Date(s) of Program
All City Service estimates must be obtained from the Special Events Liaison. Call (305) 673-7577
for an appointment before submitting this application.
Cash Expenses
In-Kind
Police
Fire Rescue
Fire Prevention
Permit / Application fees
Rental:
Name of City Facility
Other
Personnel (itemize)
Sanitation
Building Maintenance
Dumpsters
Metered Parking
Other (list)
Totals
DEPOSIT $
----------
----------
----------
----------
Estimate of City Services Signed Off by:
Special Events Liaison Date
(The above estimate is not valid unless signed by the Special Events Liaison).
Page 8/1998-99 VCA Application Form
13. PROJECT BUDGET - List Project Expenses and Project Revenues below:
EXPENSES
In-Kind
Value
Personnel- Technical
Production
(# of people --1
Personnel-Administrative
(# of people --1
Personnel-Programmatic
(# of people --1
Travel
Marketing/publicity:
Advertising
Printing/Design
Space Rental
Insurance
Miscellaneous Project Expenses
City Services:
(from page A 8)
Other Expenses
Cash In-Kind
Expenses Value
TOTAL EXPENSES
------
------
------
------
CASH REVENUE
Secured Anticioated
Admissions
Contracted Services,
tuitions
Corporate contributions:
List sources and amounts:
Local grants: (excluding amount requested here)
Note: Total Cash Expenses and Total Secured & Anticipated Cash Revenue MUST EQUAL. DO NOT
INCLUDE IN-KIND DOLLARS IN THESE CASH TOTALS.
Page 9 /1998-99 VCA Application Form
Foundation grants
Private, individual
contributions
Govemment grants:
(List sources and amounts)
Federal grants:
State grants:
Other Revenue (itemize)
Applicant Cash on Hand
Amount Requested
Sub Totals
TOTAL SECURED plus
ANTICIPATED CASH REVENUES
-----------
-----------
14. GRANT AMOUNT REQUESTED
Itemize Expenditures for which VCA funds will be used.
$
ITEM
EXPENSE
Personnel - Technical Production
Personnel - Programmatic
Marketing/Publicity
Space Rental
Insurance
City Services
Other Expenses
$
$
$
$
$
$
$
TOTAL GRANT REQUEST:
$
15. CERTIFICATION: I certify that all information contained in this application and these attachments
is true and accurate.
16. A FINAL REPORT must be submitted within 45 days of project completion.
Authorizing Signature X
Title
Typed or printed name X
Date
17. DEPOSIT REQUIREMENTS: Any award approved by the Board requires that $500 be withheld
from payment until a satisfactory Final Report is submitted in a timely manner. If this is not received
within 45 days of the project completion, the $500 is non-refundable. Organizations that have not
complied will not be considered for future funding. THERE Will BE NO WAIVERS UNDER ANY
CIRCUMSTANCES.
Page 10 /1998-99 VCA Application Form
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH
City Manager's Office
Interoffice Memorandum
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To:
Robert Parcher
City Clerk
Date: June 23, 1998
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City Liaison to the Miami Beach Visitors and Convention Authority
Subject: BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES
On Wednesday, July 8, 1998, an all-day seminar is being held by an all new Miami Beach Visitor
and Convention Authority chaired by Ms. Lisa Cole, Public Relations Director, at the Fontainebleau
Hilton. They have no mission statement and their focus has not been geared as of yet. I see that this
Report is due by Friday, July 3, 1998 but that meeting will not be held until Wednesday, July 8,
1998. After that meeting I will be able to more formally present the mission statement, activities,
accomplishments, and future activities.
If you should have any questions, I shall be out ofthe country until Tuesday, July 7, 1998.
Respectfully submitted.
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OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
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1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE
TELEPHONE: 673.7411
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JUNE 16, 1998
TO:
CITY LIAISION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
FROM:
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CITY CLERK
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SUBJECT: BI-ANNUALL Y REPORT FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEE'S
Pursuant to Ordinance No. 97-3086, Section 1.2 Requirements, subsection (m) states: The
Chairperson or hislher designee shall bi-annually submit a completed \ovritten report form to the City
Commission and the Manager. Please complete the attach form and return it to the City Clerk Office
by July 3rd to be forwarded to the Commission as an LTC.
Thank You
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BOARD AND COMMITTEE BI-ANNUA~ REPORT FORM - PAGE 2 OF 2
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
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cancelled due to no quorum)
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p~es.ntation and reView of Youth Center renovltion/remodel plan
Cramn of meetina schedule (monthly)
FuU board building tour
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J'UT1IRE ACTIVITJESl
Th- · future activities need to be channeled toward settina an advisorY
agenda to best serve the staff and the kid$.
1,:W.~.bi.nnuallr rp&.
8/24/98
NO REPORT SUBMITTED
1. BUDGET ADVISORY
2. CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION AUTH.
3. FINE ARTS BOARD
4. GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE
5. HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
6. MARINE AUTHORITY
7. PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FAC. BOARD
8. TOURIST AND CONVENTION CTR. EXP. AUTH.
9. VISITOR AND CONVENTION AUTHORITY