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MB RDA MINUTES NOVEMBER 7, 1984 MIAMI BEACH REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING November 7, 1984 - 9:00 A.M. CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS INDEX TO MINUTES OF MEETING RES. NO. PAGE NO. 1. Roll Call - Meeting called to order at 9:29 A.M. 1 Members present at roll call: Vice Chairman Grenald, Messrs. Arkin, Shockett and Singer. Mr. Daoud entered the meeting at 9:37 A.M. Chairman Fromberg absent. 2. Acceptance of Minutes of October 17, 1984 meeting 1 3. Report of Executive Director - Executive Director 1-2 gave brief oral status reports on seven matters: 1) County Tax Increment - Brief discussion 2, 5-6 on restrictions on use of County's portion (land acquisition, demolition, relocation, and site preparation) ; 2) Status of the Coast Guard Property; 2, 3-4 (See Item 5.a. below) 3) Cheezem Development Agreement; 2 4) Newman Contract; 2 5) Development of Regional Impact Issues; 2 6) South Pointe Park; 2 7) Corridor Studies. (See Item 5.b. 2, 5, 6 below) (Copy of report filed with records of meeting.) 4. Old Business a. Financial Statement - (for information only) 5. New Business 5, 6 29-84 a. Resolution adopted urging all Dade County 4 municipalities to assist City in acquiring Coast Guard property, each by adopting resolutions to be forwarded to appropriate Federal agency. Executive Director directed to prepare a summary sheet to accompany proposed resolution to be forwarded to 26 neighboring municipalities in Dade County for their own legislative action concerning the City's application for donation by the Federal government of the Coast Guard property which heretofore had been rejected. b. Agency approved team (consisting of Land 5, 6-1"' Design Research, Inc. , Goodkin Research Corporation, and Halcyon Limited) selected to do corridor studies as evaluated by Freilich and Le i the r, recommended by Executive Director, and approved and recommended by the Economic Development Council. Economic Development Council also recommended that Jack Gould of Gould Associates, a recognized expert in market analysis for retail development, be added to consulting team. Agency members also unanimously directed that representatives from each organization be present when contract is on agenda for approval in order make presentation and receive input from Agency members and citizens. 6. Report of Agency Attorney - none 6 7. Adjournment - 10:09 A.M. (six members present) 14 Next meeting: Wed., November 21, 1984, 9:00 A.M. E.MB:pp 60 000348 MINUTES MIAMI BEACH REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY November 7, 1984 Regular meeting of the Miami Beach Redevelopment Agency was held in the City Commission Chambers, City Hall, 1700 Convention Center Drive, Miami Beach, Florida, on Wednesday, November 7, 1984, with the following members of the Redevelopment Agency present: Vice Chairman Ben Z. Grenald Stanley H. Arkin Alex Daoud (arrived at 9:37 A.M.) William E. Shockett Bruce Singer Sidney Weisburd Absent: Chairman Malcolm Fromberg Also Present: Rob W. Parkins, Executive Director Arnold M. Weiner, General Counsel Elaine M. Baker, Secretary * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (The Vice Chairman called the meeting to order at 9:29 A.M.) GRENALD: The Redevelopment Agency meeting will come to order. Call the roll, Mrs. Baker. (Agenda Item 1.) BAKER: All right. Mr. Fromberg Absent Mr. Grenald Present Mr. Daoud Absent Mr. Shockett Present Mr. Singer Present Mr. Weisburd Present You have a quorum. GRENALD: All right, let's proceed with the proceedings. Would someone make a motion for the acceptance of the minutes of the October 17th meeting? (Item 2.) PARKINS: Have they been distributed? BAKER: They were distributed yesterday. It's just a motion for acceptance. WEISBURD: I'll make the motion. GRENALD: Do I hear a second? ARKIN: Second. GRENALD: All right, all in favor? AGENCY MEMBERS: Aye. (5-0, Messrs. Fromberg and Daoud absent) GRENALD: Passes. All right, we'll have the report of the Executive Director. (Item 3.) BAKER: Ladies and gentlemen, you'll have to be quiet. There's a Redevelopment meeting in session and then the Commission will start at 9:30 A.M. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 1 60 000349 PARKINS: Mr. Vice Chairman and members of the Agency, the Executive Director 's report is included in your agenda. I'll give you the highlights very quickly. County Tax Increment - The County will be holding the funds in a trust and agency account. The County's portion of the increment will be used only for land acquisition, demolition, relocation and site preparation. The Coast Guard Property - We are not going to be able to get a donation of that property. We are in contact with Senator Hawkins office, Senator Chiles' , and Congressman Pepper 's offices to see if they can intervene. It does not look very likely but, in any case, we are going ahead to see if we can develop a letter of credit for the negotiated purchase price. It looks like about six months to clear all the procedural matters. Cheezem Development Agreement has been executed. They intend to break ground during the early part of January 1985. There's an Adminstrative hearing they're pursuing through the State in order to move the coastal construction line eastward to match the bulkhead line as we established a few meetings ago. Newman Contract - We have included within your agenda a letter from Mr. Newman dated October 29th outlining various events that he contemplates we'll hold. We'll need to discuss, if we can, November 15th, at 11 A.M. to see if you'll be able to be in attendance at the ground-breaking ceremony at South Pointe Park. November 24th is a regatta event planned by Carner-Mason folks at the Marina. December 13th for a ground-breaking of the theme restaurant. We need to confirm that. January 5th or 15th for the Cheezem project. So there are a variety of events that will be occurring on those dates in South Pointe. Development of Regional Impact Issues - Freilich and Leitner are currently preparing a response to the Department of Community Affairs in Tallahasseee based on a meeting held on October 9th. Subject to further negotiations, we will present the proposed agreement, which will permit the City to abandon the development order currently in place. That relates to the old South Beach Redevelopment Plan. Phase II of the South Pointe Park Project is scheduled for the City Commission award and action during the regular Commission meeting today. All alternates included in the bid award. Construction on Phase II should be initiated in December 1984. The proposed lease with Specialty Restaurants is also scheduled for action by the City Commission today. The entire park and restaurant are scheduled for completion in late 1985 or early 1986. Corridor Studies - Freilich and Leitner have requested qualifications from a series of firms to assemple a consulting team to prepare land use and design plans and to conduct market analysis and prepare financial packages in order to refine and prepare bid packages for further development within the South Pointe area. The firms' qualifications are available for review in the Redevelopment Agency Office. There are a series of firms listed in your agenda. After the Agency staff reviewed an evaluation by Freilich and Leitner, it was concluded the most appropriate team to prepare the Corridor Studies in order to properly utilize the $9.8 million bond issue would be Land Design Research, Inc. , Goodkin Research Corpor t ion, and Halcyon Limited. We are therefore recommending the Agency members approve this group of sub- consultants to Freilich and Leitner, and direct the Agency staff along with Freilich and Leitner to enter into negotiations for consulting services. The results of that would be brought back to the Agency. That concludes the Executive Director 's report. Mr. Fosmoen has a comment, I think, on the corridor study. RICHARD FOSMOEN: Just one addition to that. We met with the Economic Development Council last night. They approved and recommended that group of consultants. They also recommended that we contact a chap named Gould who Marty Taplin has worked with on a number of occasions and it was the opinion of the assembled committee that we should think about adding him to this consulting group since apparently he is one of the recognized experts in market analysis for retail development. Macy's, Federated, and others use him quite frequently, in fact rely heavily on his opinions on specialty centers and things like that. So, we would probably contact Gould this week and perhaps incorporate him into that consulting team. It would simply mean carving off a piece that Halcyon would have done and having Gould involved in the project. (Item 3.7) M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 2 60 000350 GRENALD: I have one question, Mr. Parkins. On this status of the Coast Guard property. Do we have any concept of what the dollars are that we're talking about for the acquisition? FOSMOEN: Yes, we do, however the folks have asked us not to reveal that if it's not our intention to acquire because they would then have to put it out for bid. GRENALD: I understand that. Now are there any questions? SINGER: I have a question on that same item, the Coast Guard property. The minutes reflect that the City Manager 's office has contacted out Senators' office in an attempt to have them intervene and encourage them. To what degree have you contacted them? What is being done? FOSMOEN: I have been in direct telephone contact with the people that I know in those offices. As a matter of fact as late as yesterday I received a call from Congressman Pepper's office. George Clark, on his staff, is beginning to meet with the committee's staff which overviewed the park service and beginning to ask them . . . SINGER: Do you feel it would be of assistance if you had direct participation by the Mayor or other local public officials in contacting them instead of just handling it administratively? FOSMOEN: I have indicated to each of the offices that this body has passed a resolution asking that we get the property through a donation. At this point, I think we need to understand and work with the staff in understanding what changes have to occur and at an appropriate time we'll pull in the political horses. SINGER: All right . . . because there's nothing like a personal phone call or personal letter rather than just a resolution. FOSMOEN: Understood. SINGER: And, I just hate to see this thing slide through out fingers. FOSMOEN: We're working with it as well as we can at the moment. WEISBURD: One second. I think it's important that they know that this Commission supports it and we get involved, but I'm wondering whether or not we ought to pull in the entire municipalities throughout Dade County to support this endeavor because I think it's in the best interests of all of them and I think we've got to start working together and I think this is an item that might be the first thing that would show that the entire County, all the municipalities are working together for a common purpose and that is to redevelop Miami Beach which is good for the entire County, and I was wondering if the County Commission and other municipalities couldn't be brought into this through maybe the Dade League of Cities, which . . . FOSMOEN: I had not contacted the County yet. We have talked with Gary Smith about trying to secure some special line item fund . . . WEISBURD: That's up there. FOSMOEN: . . . out of Tallahassee because this is really a regional park, servicing all of South Florida. We can contact the County and the County Manager 's office. PARKINS: Sure. FOSMOEN: That's a good point. SINGER: Mr. Grenald, in support of what Mr. Weisburd said, I'd like to put that more in the form of action and that being . . . All the time we receive letters from other municipalities in the County with even a proposed resolution asking us to adopt i t. I would like to see some type of short M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 3 60 000351 SINGER (continued) : explanation of what the issue is that would be provided to all of our neighboring municipalities, as well as the County, and prepare a resolution for them and request that they place it on their agenda for consideration. GRENALD: Why don't one of you gentlemen make a motion to that extent and we'll pass it. WEISBURD: Yes, because I could bring it to the Dade League at the next meeting and ask them to support the resolution if I get it in time to put it on the agenda. (Note: Mr. Daoud arrived at 9:37 A.M.) GRENALD: Are you making a motion? SINGER: Make it in the form of a motion that the Executive Director be directed to prepare a summary sheet along with a proposed resolution and have it forwarded to our neighboring municipalities in the County to be placed on their agenda for their own legislative action. (Item 5.a.) GRENALD: All right, that's a motion . . . (passes gavel to Mr. Weisburd) and I present a second. Will everyone vote on this? Do I hear your vote? AGENCY MEMBERS: Aye. GRENALD: All right, it passes. Resolution No. 29-84. (6-0, Chairman Fromberg absent) DAOUD: Mr. Vice Mayor. SINGER: We're in the Redevelopment agenda. DAOUD: Right, I know. You're on item number two, the status of the Coast Guard property? GRENALD: We were just talking on that. DAOUD: Right. GRENALD: Go ahead. DAOUD: I just wanted to . . . I apologize for coming in a little bit late. I wanted to find out whether the Administration has recommended, or looking into the idea of either sending the Mayor or representatives from the Commission . . . WEISBURD: We just said that. DAOUD: Oh, you did? Okay. WEISBURD: Next. GRENALD: What happened was is Mr. Singer brought that up and we passed a resolution that all the other communities, the 26 municipalities, and the County be asked to participate in this toward the benefit of trying to get this . . . put a little bit of pressure. DAOUD: I know, but I was wondering specifically whether there are thoughts of sending representatives to Washington to meet with these individuals from the City Commission and . . . SINGER: We had discussed that and it was suggested that we hold off right now because they are in contact with their offices and when the Administration feels that their positioned in such a way that it's ready for us to intervene that he will call upon not only the Mayor, but other local representatives to get involved directly in the process. M.D. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 4 GRENALD: Why don't we get a status report of this at the next meeting and then decide on what action we're to take from the representation here up to Washington. Okay? Any other New Business? (Item 5.) PARKINS: Sir, I do need a motion on item seven, (Item 3.7) the corridor studies, approving the negotiation with the firms that we've listed plus the addition that was added last night by the EDC. DAOUD: Mr. Chairman. GRENALD: Yes, Mr. Daoud. DAOUD: Before we get into this. I had one question on the County tax increment, which was number one listed in the agenda. (Item 3.1) I noticed when I went through this that: "The Agency staff has agreed with the County that they will establish their own Trust and Agency Account, will hold the funds since our agreement with them stipulates .. . ". This is what concerned me - that the County's portion of the increment financing can only be used for four specific items, which are "land acquisition, demolition, relocation and site preparation." i wanted to find out why those limitations were placed on the money, when they haven't been there before. FOSMOEN: It was really a hold-over from the previous Agency's activities, Commissioner, when most of the County's tax increment was spent for staff and consultants and the County agreed to reinstitute their increment if we would not use it for consultants. Very candidly, they were upset by the fact that the previous Agency, not this one, had spent most of the County's increment on soft costs and there had been very little, if any, progress toward implementation of the project with their dollars. DAOUD: Well, you know something, to be honest with you, I don't know if this is acceptable. Why is it that the Miami Beach taxpayers' money should be dictated to on what it's going to be spent when we have to pay for the consultants. Now, if this is the attitude of the County, then we should take the same attitude with our money, because I don't know what we're going to use that money for, land acquisition, unless it means condemnation. What would we use that amount of money for land acquisition? SINGER: Site preparation is one of the most expensive items . . . We had to pass a $9.8 million bond issue last year in order to prepare a limited portion of South Beach. That's one of the most expensive items and in order to encourage development of the area, that is something that you can't expect developers to do - put in all the new sewers and electrical lines. That's going to be very costly. You know, Alex, you've always been the one who's been condemning the amount of expenditures that are used for legal fees and consultation fees. This is right up your alley. This is a perfect limitation on those funds that they should only be used for real costs in preparing and improving the area and shouldn't be used for consulting fees. I think that's a good move on the part of the County to put that in. It's good control. DAOUD: I'm glad you brought up the point about paying for the bonds and that's exactly the point I'm trying to get at. Could this money be used to put in the sewers for the entire area and for the electrical? FOSMOEN: The . . . DAOUD: Wait a second. Let's hear from him, Bruce. With all due respect. I'd like to hear . . . They made the agreement and the agreement's not in here. FOSMOEN: Let me clarify something. The agreement to use the County's tax increment for land acquisition, relocation, site development, were in all of the documents that were presented to this Agency and you approved them prior to our requesting the reinstitution of the County's increment. So this really shouldn't be a surprise, Commissioner, because it was incorporated in all of the previous documents and it was acted on by this Agency. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 5 60 000353 FOSMOEN (continued) : Secondly, the amount of the County increment is approximately $150,000 a year. If you assume a 10% interest rate and a 20- year pay-out and you're going to only bond out about $1,500,000, which is not nearly enough at this point to begin to put the infrastructure in. As that increment grows, if and when Cheezem starts development, and other projects take off, then the amount will be significant enough to bond against other public improvements in the area. DAOUD: Okay. Let me ask another question. What do they mean by relocation? FOSMOEN: We have a mandatory requirement that if we acquire property - and you'll recall that the Redevelopment Plan does provide for this Agency to acquire property - then we have an obligation to provide relocation assistance to anyone who was living in the area in 1976, prior to 1976. GRENALD: Any other questions? PARKINS: May we get a formal action on item seven, please, Mr. Chairman. (Item 3.7) GRENALD: I'm asking for a motion to approve . . . PARKINS: Negotiations for the corridor studies. ARKIN: I so move i t. GRENALD: Okay. WEISBURD: I'll second. GRENALD: All right. All in favor? AGENCY MEMBERS: Aye. GRENALD: The ayes have it. (6-0, Chairman Fromberg absent) Next item on the agenda is . . . Any other New Business? (Item 5.) PARKINS: We have no other New Business, sir, other than that presented to you. GRENALD: Then how about Report of the Agency Attorney? (Item 6.) WEINER: We have nothing to add at this time. GRENALD: All right. May I have a motion for ajournment? 4EISBURD: I'll move to adjourn. ARKIN: Second. GRENALD: All right, we'll go on to the Commission . . . DAOUD: Could I just . . . Can I ask one question on the last item, the corridor study. (Item 3.7) GRENALD: Yes, sir, go ahead. DAOUD: I was a little bit concerned on this item. I don't understand why there were no presentations made to the Commission . . . concerning the corridor study and the choosing of who was going to do the corridor study and what the reason, how come Halcyon Limited was selected. FOSMOEN: If I may? PARKINS: Yes. FOSMOEN: These will be sub-consultants to Freilich and Leitner .. DAOUD: Yes. M.}3. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 6 40 000354 FOSMOEN: There's no particular reason why the organizations couldn't present to the Commission except that we're trying to move this project ahead fairly quickly. We had run this process by the Agency when Freilich was in town. We had talked about it previously, the selection process that was going to be used. We are targeting, along with the South Pointe committee that Arthur Courshon heads up, a major presentation in February when we would invite developers and investors into the community and if we had gone through the typical, if you will, selection process of asking people to spend all kinds of time and money coming down, making presentations, and going through a selection, we'd never make that target date, Commissioner. This process of using Freilich and Leitner as the prime and these folks as sub-contractors to them was used previously in the preparation of the entire Redevelopment Plan. It's not a new process for the Agency. DAOUD: You know, I . . . FOSMOEN: We're simply trying to move the process again . . . DAOUD: I understand. FOSMOEN: . . . along with Freilich and Leitner and the staff in the City have worked with all of these consultants at one time or another and we believe that the team that we're recommending can do the job for you. DAOUD: I just, personally, and I'd like to share this with my colleagues, I would like to see a presentation from these people. I would like to see at least their thoughts or have them in front of us to make suggestions about what they're going to be doing and everything else so that we can have it on the record and we can have it on direction for future commissions or future Agency members that come on. I don't think it's good to choose someone that's going to be directing this magnitude, an area of South Shore redevelopment, without at least having come in front of the Agency and being asked what direction they're moving in. FOSMOEN: The next step is to negotiate a contract with each of these firms and that contract would, of course, be brought back to you for your approval at which time their scope of services would be very well-defined. DAOUD: But, the point is that there might be suggestions from Agency members here, from concerns of say, Ben Grenald, or Sid Weisburd, or Bill Shockett, about what direction they want to see the study go in to give some added depth. That's my exact point. I don't want to see a contract and then it comes to us and we have to amend it. I would rather see the scope of what we want done for this study, which is going to be all important. At least get some direction from us and some thoughts from them. That's my feeling. FOSMOEN: If that's the Commission's wish, perhaps we could meet individually with each of you, while we're in this negotiating process. Rather than asking these three or four firms to spend several thousand dollars to come down and make a presentation, we would meet with you and incorporate your thoughts into those contracts. DAOUD: With all due respect, I'd rather have it where all of us could meet together with them so we could get the cumulative benefit and, number two, more important than that, this is something that's going to be the future of Miami Beach. I don't think it's asking too much to just have them come in front of us to get some thoughts and some ideas and some direction that we can have. I think, had the contract originally been put in front of us, the suggestions made by Billy Shockett and by the other people, on South Pointe, it would have saved a lot of addition. I would like to see them come in front of us before we go to a contract stage and I'd like to make a motion. SHOCKETT: I'd like to just comment on what Commissioner Daoud is discussing. I think the intent of what he's saying has some merit to it but I don't know that that's a procedure we should follow. I'll tell you, Alex, that I would hate to see is having all these companies come down here, hiring lawyers, lobbying, pressuring, this one's friends, that one's friend, this one, all kinds of business, when then the image of Miami Beach is business as usual. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 7 60 000355 SHOCKETT (continued) : However, I think that either one of the departments of the Economic Development Council should look into this and make recommendations. I really, in things like this, defer to their expertise. It's not a question of me. There are some things that come up here before me that t have expertise in that I question. But, as far as large-scale development of a portion of a major city, I would really like to see the input from our Economic Development Council, then come to us with their recommendation, with a contract, and then we'll give our input. But, I really don't want to go through this process like we go through every time with the public relations agency, where there are attorneys hired, with an architect, where there are attorneys hired. I don't know why these people even needs attorneys, to tell you the truth. And, I think this is just doing it again. And, I think that what Commissioner Daoud said does have merit in that there should be additional input other than from Freilich and Leitner and other than from the Administration because I don't think the Administration has the true expertise that we're talking about. Let's take advantage . . . No, nobody knows 100% of it, Dick. There are areas that guys like Marty Taplin and some of these other men have a lot knowledge of, particularly in finance and development than any one of us do. I would like to see it go through them. DAOUD: Billy, it's a very valid point. The one thing you have to realize is they've already selected the company, so there wouldn't be any lobbying. The firms have already been selected. All there would be was just a question of thought and I think we should look at . . . SHOCKETT: I think the firm has been selected. I think that they have a list of firms. It says, the firms selected are and they've got a list of about 10 firms . . . GRENALD: No, we're in the midst of approving them now. WEISBURD: No, no, they've narrowed it down to three. SHOCKETT: . . . narrowed down to 3. DAOUD: No, they selected Goodkin Research Corporation, Land Design Research . . . they're joining together. So, there's just one. The three of them are joining together. Is that correct? FOSMOEN: Well, they're negotiated on individual contracts. DAOUD: Oh, but, I mean, you're going to negotiate with the three of them. See they've already selected the three, Billy. SHOCKETT: Well, so, three . . . But they're negotiating contracts with each one on a different area? DAOUD: Yes GRENALD: That's the reason there's four . . . not three, there's an addition. FOSMOEN: And also, the Economic Development Council recommended a fourth firm to us last night that we should contract which is Gould. (Jack Gould of Gould Associates) SHOCKETT: Then they're participating in it? They are then participating in the selection process and the contract process? FOSMOEN: The Council? They're participating in both and we reviewed the list with Courshon's committee . . . SHOCKETT: Good. FOSMOEN: And he reviewed it last night with the Economic Development Council. They agreed to the list that we've recommended as well as adding Gould to that list because he has, apparently, national recognition . . . SHOCKETT: Good, . . . M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 8 60 00035$ FOSMOEN: . . , in the area of retail. SHOCKETT: . . . that's the kind of input I like to see. GRENALD: May I say . . . ARKIN: Maybe it would be good to have one of them serve on the negotiating committee. GRENALD: Maybe the right steps are this. Let them negotiate the contracts and when it's completed and brought back to us, at that time, we have the four firms or the three firms, at that time we should be able to interview them, because we have the firms and have our input with any questions or direction that we may want to give them. Does that sound reasonable? SHOCKETT: Well, maybe we're just talking about something that really is the process is in place and it's working and what Commissioner Daoud's concerns and my concerns are maybe being addressed already. The end result is that the final contract is going to have to come before the Agency anyhow. The Agency, therefore, has not participated in the elimination process but we are going to be given a contract that has been reviewed by the Economic Development Council's sub-committee, which has also reviewed the various applications and it's going to come to us with their imprimatur. Well, I think that's good because I do really want to have their input in this thing and it sounds to me then like we are following the right process. GRENALD: All right, what's the next step? SHOCKETT: I don't want to undo it if they've already done that. GRENALD: Are you satisfied with that, Mr. Daoud? For them to negotiate the contracts and then come back before us for approval, and at that time they have our input? Would that be satisfactory? DAOUD: I'm satisfied to a point, but I'm not satisfied to the point where I wanted it to happen, was the fact that the citizens could hear the direction before the contract was made. I don't think, Ben, that we should, at the last minute, get a contract and start to alter it at the table and start to go over it. I would rather have our input in the construction of the contract so that directions that each of us had could be incorporated in the concepts and that also the citizens would have an opportunity to see. These people are going to be doing, they're going to be preparing land use design plans, conduct marketing analysis, and preparing financial packages. It's going to be a tremendous thing for the future of Miami Beach and it's going to be with us for a long time. I feel that we should be involved in the embryonic construction of it and the people should have some input into it, that when the presentation is made, the people could then get some idea of what direction it's going. I feel, personally, it should come in front of this Agency and this group should come in so we can get a direction and I'd like to make that in a motion. GRENALD: Is there a second? WEISBURD: I'll second it. You know, I'm listening to a lot of conversation going on and I think everybody is saying actually the same thing. I'm not ready to turn over my authority to anybody at any time to make decisions. I welcome the opportunity to meet with people and at that time, through continuous dialogue, make a recommendation and eventually vote on an issue. I have a problem here, again, because I'm assuming this is the . . . I guess, group that is being recommended by Freilich and Leitner to further study the South Beach area, the development, and that was the consultant that I questioned several months ago, whether we needed another consultant on top of Freilich and Leitner. I would also like to have them come before us, if it's three firms, two firms, or whatever, and give some input. I think we did this with the South Shore Park and we made it a little better than I think it was at the M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 9 60 000357 WEISBURD (continued) : beginning. We have to live with it; we have to make the decisions and we have to be the Commissioners that are responsible to the citizens. So, I would agree with the motion to have them come before us. GRENALD: All right, is there any more discussion on this? I would like to have some input from the Executive Director. PARKINS: Mr. Fosmoen, what's our timing on this issue. FOSMOEN: Well, again, we're attempting to target a major investor/developer conference in February. If we go through this process of inviting all the firms down, and I can't guarantee what their schedules are, we're probably looking at a presentation by them either in late November, early December possibly, I'd have to . . . You know, there are eight firms listed out here. We would then, I assume, based on your input, perhaps change that selection. I don't know. Then we've got to make sure that those firms are able to work together. We then enter into a negotiation. I would suggest to you that we probably won't have a contract in place until late January . . . GRENALD: Mr. Fosmoen, . . . FOSMOEN: And that (GRENALD: . . . let me ask you a question.) really puts your schedule back. My impression is that the Agency wants to see this process move ahead. I understand. And there is an opportunity for your input if we can simply meet with you and get your thoughts on the contracts before we begin to negotiate those. GRENALD: Mr. Fosmoen, taking another step here. Actually you have three firms that have been chosen and the Economic Development Council has approved them and those gentlemen are pretty hep when it comes to development and so forth. I'm satisfied to leave the three that they have and perhaps invite Mr. Gould, but let me say this, I have a different view on this. I think what we should is have you negotiate the contract with the people, before you sign it, of course you have to bring it to us anyway, have a workshop meeting and give us enough time, not a day before when you have to sign the contract, give us, even if you have to call a special meeting for this, so that we won't interfere with the time plan and, at the same, in this particular case, I would trust in the judgment of the Economic Development and the research that's been done. I don't . . . While I won't give away my authority, at the same time I respect the specialists who do have the knowledge, that give their time to the City. And, I think that would be a better process to do and then at that time we can each give our own input into what we want to see happen there and at least have knowledge of what's going on. That would be my personal feeling. ARK IN: Mr. Vice Chairman, I'd like to see the motion and the second withdrawn in favor of your recommendation. GRENALD: Well, I .. . DAOUD: Mr. Mayor, if I could. GRENALD: We could take a vote on that first and if it passes, it passes, and if doesn't then we'll have another motion. DAOUD: Let me go ahead. I'm just going to say my last thing on this and this concept. Number one, I wasn't thinking so much of a presentation as just having a representative of theirs come down so that we could give them direction. That was my thought on it. GRENALD: Okay. DAOUD: Number two is, I don't think the concept of the Agency or the citizens are really served by not presenting what direction we're going in and not giving the public and not giving this Commission, not giving the people the sense of direction of which way we want to go. I feel it's not good to close the door after the horse is out of the barn. I think what you've got to do is give them direction before they get started on it. That's my thought on it and I hope this motion passes. So, I'm staying with it. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 10 40 000358 GRENALD: Any more discussion on it, otherwise I'll call for the vote? SHOCKETT: I'd like to know what the motion is. SINGER: It's a motion for reconsideration (inaudible) . DAOUD: No, it's a motion . . . GRENALD: The motion is . . . I'll tell you what the motion is. The motion is to undo the approval of the three companies that have been selected and to open it up for all these people to make a presentation and for us to make a selection at that particular time, whether it be the same three or other three. DAOUD: Ben, . . . (GRENALD: Yes.) (SHOCKETT: That's not how I understood it.) . . . with all due respect, that's not the motion. My motion was to have the three that have been selected, prior to signing any contract, come in front of this Agency, not necessarily do a presentation but get direction, give information, not only to this Agency, but to the citizens, and get the input of . . . GRENALD: Well, that's practically the same as mine. I would support that. DAOUD: Oh, good. Okay. Fine. Call the roll, please. GRENALD: That's not what you said before. Does everyone understand that? DAOUD: That's what I said. GRENALD: No, I thought you wanted . . . ARKIN: Then let's clarify it. Let's get a motion . . . GRENALD: Mr. Fosmoen, did you understand that it was supposed to be opened up for everybody to come in? ARKIN: Because I heard the same thing. I didn't hear that . . . DAOUD: There's three that have already been selected. GRENALD: Yes. Are you satisfied with them? DAOUD: Well, . . . GRENALD: Did they make a presentation to us? DAOUD: I think the issue is that I want to have direction put in with them along with the Commission. GRENALD: No, but that's not the point. Are you satisfied to have the three that were chosen before we sign the contract to have them make a presentation and have our input and have the public have . . . Is that . . . Are you satisfied with that? DAOUD: Exactly. That's what I want. GRENALD: Okay. (inaudible) four (inaudible) . Call the roll. SHOCKETT: Wait a minute. I can't . . . Wait. One last comment on this. In my professional business, I do a lot of contract work. It would be my suggestion, and I think that what we're doing is putting the cart before the horse, I don't like to deal in a vacuum. I would rather see a draft of the contract before me, then I know I have an idea of what's not included, what is included, what should be and what shouldn't be in the contract. To have these people come down and talk to us, I don't think is going to accomplish one thing. Probably it'll just make us more confused than we will be at the time of signing the contract. So, what I would prefer is that we do follow M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 11 60 000359 SHOCKETT (continued) : the procedure that we've established in the past, since Commissioner Daoud has no problem with the three finalists, that they come to us with a draft of the agreement, not come to us and say, sign it today, but, let us see the draft of the agreement and then, if we feel it's necessary, have these people come in and discuss it because there should be some input. We're the ones responsible when it's signed, just like we have the problems now with the Marina contract that the Agency signed and the City was participated in. That's how I think it should go. So, I really would not like to see these people come down at this time, if that's what your motion is. GRENALD: Mr. Daoud, are you satisfied to change that to that? DAOUD: No, I would rather keep it -- again, because what we end up doing at this table is altering contracts at the end. I don't think that's the correct way to do it. I think the correct way is to have direction and input and give us some opportunity rather than at the last minute get a contract and then go ahead. I would rather have, also, when the questions are brought in, that the citizens and the public would have an opportunity to also give us, as Agency members, their thoughts about what direction to go in. I would rather see it directed in that fashion to begin with. I think it's an excellent motion. On the question. WEISBURD: Call the question. GRENALD: Call the roll, Mrs. Baker. SHOCKETT: Was it seconded? DAOUD: Yes. Weisburd. GRENALD: It was second. BAKER: Mr. Arkin No. Mr. Daoud Yes Mr. Fromberg Absent Mr. Grenald No Mr. Shockett No Mr. Singer No Mr. Weisburd Yes Two in favor, four against, motion fails. GRENALD: All right, now, let me entertain a motion for taking these three companies that have been chosen and maybe the fourth one, Mr. Gould, and having a presentation made to us before signing the contract, with the contract, and at that time having any input that we may feel we may need. ARKIN: I wanted to suggest a workshop on this. SHOCKETT: Hold it. Vice Chairman Grenald, I think if you're going to make a motion, you turn the gavel over. GRENALD: No, I said may I hear a motion to that. SHOCKETT: I'll move it. I think it's a good idea. I'd like to know who we're dealing with. Also, I would like to know a background on each one of these companies, who the principal stockholders are and who we're dealing with. ARK IN: Second on that. GRENALD: Okay. DAOUD: Yes, I think Billy's idea is excellent. I'd like to get who the owners are, who the people are, and also who's associated with them. GRENALD: Calling for discussion. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 12 60 °°0360 WEISBURD: Mr. Chairman. GRENALD: Mr. We isburd. WEISBURD: You know, my concern on all of these contracts, we've had it happen in the past and as recent as a few weeks ago, where we were thrown a document on this table and asked to vote on it immediately and then I find out three, four weeks later, it wasn't even signed. These things disturb me. We, at this Commission table, never have a chance to really adequately review things that we have to vote on which affect the future of Miami Beach, and that's the reason I seconded Alex's motion before because I feel that we should have that input and the time to adequately review anything that we do here, and I want to make certain that this is not done haphazardly, and saying that, oh, it's November, or it's December, and we've got tog et it done today. I'd like the time to review all these items that we have to vote on eventually. SHOCKETT: I'd like to point out that it was mentioned by me and Mr. Fosmoen nodded his head and Rob Parkins nodded his head that we would get a draft of the contract, Sidney, - that's exactly what you're talking about - prior to the meeting that we would have to vote on it so that we could do the things that Alex suggested, that you suggested, and that everybody here suggests. It's kind of like a workshop, if you want to call it, or at least we have it well in advance to avoid that problem. So, I think we addressed it, directly. GRENALD: Any other discussion? WEISBURD: Mr. Shockett, let me tell you something. If you go back into the agendas, for the last 11 months, we have said this kind of thing hundreds of times and doesn't occur and I'm just trying to re-emphasize it each time so that we bring it up to date. DAOUD: My point, and then we'll close on this issue . . . GRENALD: Okay. DAOUD: . . . is the factor that if I'm not satisfied with the contract and the information comes back that I'm not satisfied with these people, I'll then be placed in the position which I will vote against and I want the Administration -- I did not want that to happen, but that will be the course of the events of what's happened because there will be no chance to rectify any of the (unclear) . SHOCKETT: Let's move on. GRENALD: Okay, would you call the question, Mrs. Baker. We have a motion on the floor, would you call the roll. BAKER: All right. You want a roll call? GRENALD: Yes, take a roll call on it. SINGER: I could have sworn we voted on this about a half an hour ago and then there was the motion to adjourn. SEVERAL SPEAK AT ONCE, CANNOT TRANSCRIBE GRENALD: There was some input because . . . SHOCKETT: (unclear) GRENALD: . . . no, this is different. SHOCKETT: This was Ben's motion that I made that we bring them down here and meet them before we sign the contract, probably at the time that we get the draft of the agreement. That's the motion. There's been a second to it and let's get on with it. M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 13 60 00031 GRENALD: All right. All in favor, say "aye". AGENCY MEMBERS: Aye. (Six present; Chairman Fromberg absent) GRENALD: Okay, let's go on. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? (Item 7.) WEISBURD: I'll move it. ARK IN: Second. GRENALD: All in favor? AGENCY MEMBERS: Aye. GRENALD: The Agency stands adjourned. (Time: 10:09 A.M.) Chairma - ) ! JfZr.)? - --.12(,/// Secretary M.B. REDEVELOPMENT MINUTES - 11/7/84 Page 14 PP 60 000362